Your opinion on Drugs?

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I woke up from a 2 week long coma for about a year and a half ago after a little too much of everything(a fine mixture of pills, alcohol, cocaine and heroin(was not trying to kill myself))and I started smoking weed when I was 14yrs old I think. So you do the math and figure it out on your own.

It doesn't have to end like it did for me, but in alot of cases it does. Another thing is that I have alot of dead friends and that's not too nice either so it's best to stay out of that environment....

That said I have pulled myself together and tomorrow I have my final certification exam and I will be a solution developer(programmer), but not everyone is as lucky as I was......

 

Archangel,
Are you intentionally being thick? While he asked about pot, the subject line is drugs. You implied that alcohol is not a drug:

Then you later acknowledged that it is a drug. You are being unclear and giving me an attitude about calling you on it.

Additionally, Sprite said:

Again implying a difference.

While "as a biologist" the point may be clear to you (even though you contradicted yourself), it is obviously not clear to everyone. Not everyone on the boards is a "biologist", and many people here are quite young and may not understand this concept. I was merely pointing it out.

 

Hey, Turambar: Congratulations, and best of luck for the future. Welcome back to the land of the living. (Really.)

 

This topic seems to be getting very due to your insceccant questioning of archangel's view and failure to state that alcohol is a drug as well. Alcohol is legal, in most countries pot, crack, E's etc are not.

Well anyway heres my view. I personally have never done any illegal drugs (and don't want to). I do know people who do pot and i don't really care, it's their decision and ultimately their life. When i start to care is if they try to make me do drugs (they haven't but if), and when they smoke it around me. It stinks worse than normal fags (which i don't smoke either) and if it gets in your eyes it screws up your vision.

So basically i don't do illegal drugs, and have no intention of starting, but it doesn't bother me that other people do. As i already said it's their life and thier death.

 

I may be thick but you are having a bad day Jack.

Alcohol might be a drug, but I think its only natural to divide. The more the marrier, and then discuss each common "drug" apart from each other. If you want to put it more general, please be my guest Jack.

Basicly I think;
Alcohol is bad
Pot is bad
Crack is bad
Marihuana is bad
weed is bad
Having the strenght to resist gives more strenght, be it Alcohol pot crack weed or marihuana.

Happy, Jack


PS: There shouldn't be a "concept" just for the sake of the concept. Hence we shouldn't define Alcohol as a drug because we can. Neither should you Jack. Neither should we mix the term pot with the term narcotics etc. Not because Alcohol is necessarily less dangerous than Pot. But because it is different. Like Pot is different from narcotics.

[This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited June 14, 2002).]

 

I think drugs are bad. I mean weed and other drugs that do nothing but kill you are bad. I don't mean to say that alcohol is a good thing, but a glass of wine on a special occasion is fine. I'll admit, sometimes I drink, but I drink for the taste, not to get drunk. All that most drugs do is get you high or kill you in the long run.

 

I don't think the topic was ArchAngels drinking habits, and as Lazy Bonzo said, it's getting rather off topic
(i'm not too attached to the post-holder smilie)
But in a view, yes, Alchohol is a drug, but in modern society not viewed as thus, and subconciously at that. My point was on Illegal drugs, and the Cannabis Ban being lifted in the UK, if you know about it or live here.
I feel for Tarumbar, and respect him for pulling himself together and gettin on with his life, good work man
About 50-70% of my year is reported to smoke/do drugs such as Pot; and i find that sad. I have no wish to be involved in this and do not think many people do.
ArchAngel was merely making a point.
So, any more opinions on lifting drug bans and what good/bad it will do? I personally don't think it will make people avoid harder drugs, but merely invite them in to move onto them.

 

Gopher,

I wouldn't recommend smoking out until you reach your college years. Studies show that students who smoke pot during their high school years inhibit their brains from fully maturing. But once your're on your own and off to college, you should have the capacity to make choices on how you feel and not what the whole world has been shoving down your throat your entire life. "Don't do this, do that, believe this not that!" If you are open minded enough, you will come to understand why pot-smokers like weed so much, and if you are self-responsible enough, you will not allow yourself to abuse it when you start experimenting with alternative states-of-mind.

Marijiuana has the capacity to forever expand the limits of your inner-consciousness, allowing more room for self-growth and spiritual reflection! Reasons and excuses to and not to will ultimately mean nothing, its the choices and actions you take that will follow and define you. If you don't want to ever get involved with drugs, just make sure you never be-friend a drug user.

Anyways, I think computer-gaming addiction is actually worse than drug addiction because the damage it does is implicit (isolation, introverting, wastes time, makes it easy to escape and avoid our problems, and an endless legal supply of [games]) and you never know when to quit!

-MM

 

Archangel,
You could have let my post go, but you didn't. Until Gopher cleared up his topic, I felt the distinction needed to be made. I think a lot of people who drink alcohol fool themselves into thinking it is less dangerous or not as serious because it is legal. Thank you for clarifying your position.

Tarumbar,
You truly have overcome something that many do not. I wish more people had your strength. My cousin started on pot and booze at 9, moved onto coke and heroin and has been in and out (currently in) prison since he was 15. He is now 31. It wrecked his life.

Gopher,
It is astonishing to see the numbers you put up. Good for you for staying clean when most of your peers are experimenting (or more). About the illegality of pot. I think it should be legal. It is less dangerous then alcohol (in terms of driving, violence as a result of using, overdose) and could be taxed like alcohol. In America, many of the same people who are fighting legalization happily drink alcohol and see no hypocrisy.


[This message has been edited by Jack Funk (edited June 13, 2002).]

 

Ahh, I see now why you where so nitpickingly persistent on the apparent details, Jack. The eminent threat of hypocrisy which looms as an annoying and ignorant shadow everywhere. Well I neither think Sprite or I are in two minds.

So to clarify my opinion even further. Lift the ban. Let it flow. Let it be like alcohol. Sooner or later, if it is as bad as many say, it will show on people. I doubt it though. But count me out of the statistics. I have tried it and my experiences with weed have been exceptionally fun. But smoking will never be part of my life. I am too scared of all the "ifs" of constant (ab)use.

But I am in for legalizing. Let people do it. This goes only for all soft drugs. And I must say that legalizing it, will make it less obvious that it will open a gate to harder drugs. If all soft drugs are legalized there is no need to go down the corner and buy soft drugs from a dirty down town dealer who might have connections to harder drugs and sway you into trying them. Never in my life will I encourage harder drugs. Anyway legalizing beer didn't lead to people drinking 8.3 % liquor now did it? Neither will legalizing weed lead to doing hard drugs then, yes or no?

So a gate to harder drugs? Never. The opposite more likely. In short legalize; Like the Netherlands. The Netherlands doesn't host an abnormal amount of cocaine addicts does it? Why should UK or any other country be different if they had the same system?

[This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited June 14, 2002).]

 

The point of Alcohol and drugs being divided, is more based on societies standards. Most people think of "Drug" as something illegal. Alcohol isnt illegal(just drinking and driving etc.) Therefore most people do not see it as a drug. That doesnt not mean it is not one, just that it is commonly not viewed that way. If you want to nit pick, Pain killers such as Asprin and Tylenol are drugs also, and, if taken in large quantities can kill(just like almost about anything else).
Ive tried pot(hash, marijuana, weed, cronic whatever you want to call it). It has not had an adverse affect on my life, but I no longer make use of that anymore, if i want to have some fun, I go out with my friends and hang out, not get high. Also I have had alcohol, not to excess, just some to get a buzz you could say. There is a difference between the two, but most people do not see it, or if they do, choose to ignore it.

Also stated previously, Alcohol has a more dangerous effect on your body than weed. It is proven that you can not overdose on weed, yet any other drug out there(alcohol included) can kill you if you take to much of it.

My veiws on the ban lifting, do it. Like ArchAngel said:

Its only a "Gateway drug" because when you go to get weed from a drug dealer, he tries to get you to get into other drugs "harder" drugs if you will. Why? Not because he likes it that much that he wants others to try it for a good time. But because he wants more money, and if he can get you hooked on it, youll keep coming back to him to buy more.

[This message has been edited by DeBhaal Stasion (edited June 14, 2002).]

 

Drugs are for the weak and those who can't handle real life.

People like to giggle about them and act like they're so cool when they smoking or drinking or whatever, but it's just a macho pose.

 

While that may be true (somewhat), when a person becomes addicted to drugs (alcohol, nicotine included) it is no longer a "macho pose..."

 

Shralp; If I may use MoonMeister's excellent line of thought, we can say that those who play computer games are weak and can't handle real life, or what?

Or are you talking about abuse and not common use?

 

Drugs are deadly,stupid and a big no no.In other words******NO******.

 

I agree with Tal, gaming is less dangerous than other drugs, but it is still dangerous if it gets out of hand. I read that a 17 year old boy got a fatal heart attack because he got only 2 houres of sleep a day (he played games the rest of the day)

 

Shralp: I think that it's quite a sweeping generalisation to describe all people who take drugs as being 'weak' people who are 'not able to handle real life'.

First off, there's the question of people who simply use 'soft' drugs for recreational purposes (i.e. Cannabis and Alcohol - NOT Pills, Powder or anything like that) as a mild form of escapism. Following on from what Archangel said, playing a computer game could also be considered a form of escapism. Both can have some bad side effects if used to excess - with alcohol, there's a chance of overdosing or doing something stupid while under the influence, with Cannabis there's the fact that you have to smoke it, and with Computer Games you could end up with RSI, Carpal Tunnel Syndrome or some other serious condition. It's all a question of moderation - would you call all Computer Game fans 'weak' people who are 'not able to handle real life'?

Secondly, some people are unable to live without drugs, i.e. people on prescription medication. Now, I wouldn't call any of these people 'weak', simply unfortunate that they're in that situation.

I understand that you must feel pretty strongly about the issue of drugs, but making sweeping generalisations like that will ultimately lead to even more confusion, misconceptions and misunderstandings about the issue of drugs. However, I do agree with you about people who take drugs and alcohol to 'look cool' being incredibly pathetic (following fashions - that's the biggest killer).

P.S. Although I have absolutely no problem with Cannabis or Alcohol, I strongly believe that Cocaine, Ecstasy, Heroin or any other 'hard' drug taken for recreational purposes WILL F**K YOU UP. As far as I can tell, once you've hit that path it's a long, hard journey back.

 

Why thank you ArchAngel!

Utynn, are you serious about that boy?! Shiz.. I wonder what he was playing, mebbe one of those new 3d-accelerated porn-games?

 

You are talking about soft drugs right?

No it's not 100% legal, There are only a few places that may sell drugs, they are called coffee shops or "Hash-bars" You may buy it there you may smoke it there, and you can smoke it at home.

You are allowed to carry around drugs, but I believe there is a limit. In Holland you can not walk into a restaurant roll a joint and start to smoke it! That's because it's not 100% legal. You may not smoke pot while you are walking outside BUT noone shall stop you if you do it. As long as you don't enter a store or what ever. But in most of those places you can't smoke at all.

I don't think it's wrong to smoke drugs, or drink some alcohol.

Just don't over do it!

Keep on rocking!