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Yes. the worst thing that could happen is that america destroys afganistan in search of Osama, finds him, and punishes him. then some internal terrorist group, or some terrorist group from wherever else laughs and does it again. double whammy. not only has america done nothing in prevention of an atrocity, it has committed one itself.

 

This discussion is no longer what should be done. It is whether or not the american leaders of the US-army is filled with psychos or retards. Mindless freaks or warmongers

Please ppl. keep those predictions to the senstaional press.

[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited September 15, 2001).]

 

No! No! No! If I had meant they had it coming, then I would have SAID they had it coming. That was not what I meant.
I am NOT trying to make your country look like it deserved it.
I just mentioned an example of a situation when thousands of innocents were killed, and nobody weeped for them.
I might as well have mentioned what happened in Nanking or the destruction of Lindisfarne.
It just seems like you americans consider yourselves more important than everybody else.
I know it is wrong to generalize, but that is the image America has in the rest of the world.
America sure wouldn't be ready to "bomb them back to the stone age" if this had happened in Europe.

 

Have to admit that in the last few years, it has seemed like that hasn't it? I think it's just the reputation from these years that has people saying that.

 

american leaders meddle in the affairs of other countries and their people pay for the consequences

not only that, but now they're dragging the rest of the world into this, in a "fight against evil"

anyone who doesnt help the US is evil

so sayeth the american leaders

 

exactly my point

 

So Kevlar0101 when the next terrorist plain crashes in the business city of Brussel since its too hard to attack US, you really don't care? You'll just say, shit happens and spam some more on SP?

 

so what is the resolution then? a constructive way of ending all this nonsense without it ending in more violence?

plan:
1) find out whats pissing these people off so much
2) stop doing it
3) reinforce step 2
4) now they have no more reason to hate
5) no more terrorists

 

youd be surprised

 

Nobleman, we arent the ones that killed 1000nds of innocent people with carpet bombing, so stfu

 

How do you strike fear into the hearts of people that willingly blow themselves up to achieve some quasi-religious goal?

 

Kevlar, So you think this terrorist attack is an deliberate revenge on wars that the US engaged eh?If That is your shield against fear its ok with me. Then you probably wont understand this neither:

Even if it is revenge against US- warfare, then terrorism is obviously able to hit a business center. It happened once now. What if Jihad gets inspiration to do this against the free market economy? Brussel is an obvious and easy target. God Bless it wont happen!

EDITED HERE: Azuardu, it's hard to strike fear into the ones you kill. You are hinting that the entire Afgahnistan has this Quasi-religious goal materialised in attacks against the US? Well I think they would be offended to hear that.

[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited September 16, 2001).]

 

IF the US and the rest of the ruling class ("western" countries) of the world figure out who was the main planner of this atrocious act. And if it leads to afganistan there is a problem. You cant bomb the country back to the stoneage. It is already there. It is a country that completely lacks everything that a modern society has so cruisemissiles wont do much good. If we really want the people behind this and they are in Afganistan, groundtroops are the only answer and as the sovietunion came to know its a hard people and a difficult country to occupy.

 

And you think the standard of the US-army year 2001 is equivalent with the russian army 1979?

I hope that the US-army is more competent.

 

Okay, it seems that a few people here have miss-interpreted my words. I did not mean to imply we deserved these attacks, just that these terrorists were driven to the desparation and fanaticism to do this by events directly cuased by us.

Voltric: You could not be more wrong.
"The actions taken on Tuesday were only cause by the group that committed them. The US was not at war and was not attacking any other country. These groups or maybe it nations that committed this act did so for the simple fact that they hate us and what we stand for."
Now why is it that they hate us so much? How is it that we've created such an overwhelming anti-US sentiment that people are being motivated to the point of become these mindless-fanatical-zealots that pull off these despicable acts? Becuase we've been repeatedly blundering in middle eastern affairs.

Examples:
Iran. Throughout the 70s America maintained strong ties with Iran, which was rapidly becoming a developed nation, yet had an economic policy that created a huge income gap, to which the Iranian goverment largely ignored. We new this and did nothing. The Iranians exported huge ammounts of oil to us so we could honestly care less. Finally when the Iranians revolted, we protected thier leader from them. Hence the Iranian anti-american sentiment.
Iraq. We push them out of Kuwait, but instead of removing Saddam and his regime, we sanction his nation, starving his people, pushing them to the extremes that breed terrorists.
Afghanistan. The political instability, wide-spread corruption and the existance of the Taliban was the indirect result of US funding of anti-communist guerrillas. Yes, the USSR needed to be pushed back, but once they were we left instead of helping them establish a working government, we left them to fight amongst themselves, heavilly armed and already driven to over-zealous fanaticism of thier cuase by the Russians.
And there are many more that could be listed.

They did not do this simply because they hate us for being a freedom loving nation. Muslims are as freedom loving as any American, within the confines of Islam, they have just been pushed over the edge, by us, and the regimes in place because of us.

Those who were responsible will and must be brought to justice; that much is certain. However I fear the insueing missle strikes and armed interventions, in addition to the certain executions of any directly involved in this incident will most likely result in more terrorists, and more martyrs for them to live up to.

Hopefully this atrocity will make us wake up, and realize what we've done, and maybe, how to correct it without continuing this circle of bloodshed.


[This message has been edited by Alex (edited September 16, 2001).]