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What would you like to see more of or change on SP/BoM?

Discussion in 'Sorcerous Sundries' started by Taluntain, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    8people, the IE modding forum, not the IE modding news forum... IE modding news is now a subforum of the main news forum, by the way. Featured polls could be a subforum of Sorcerous Sundries, but that'd hide it a bit, which doesn't do us any favours in getting as many votes and opinions as possible, so it'll probably stay where it is.

    Balle, ah, I see what you mean. The thing is, with really long threads the numbers could easily take up more than one line, especially in lower resolutions or on non-wide monitors. Also in fixed width styles, which we'll get shortly... so there's a reason why not all the pages are listed. No reason why the last few pages couldn't be listed too though. But I know that this is done somewhat differently in the next major version of our forum software, so if/when we switch to that, we'll have to see if it works any better there.
     
  2. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    Oh, I didn't see when you edited those pics in...

    The IE Modding News subforum is regularly updated so it's not going anywhere. I wanted to put the archived news as a subforum of the main news forum, but the problem is, that's actually 1 forum with 2 subforums already, which means that 3 subforums show if I set it as a subforum. The only way around it would be to ungroup those two archived forums.

    The SPS private forum needs to be under Site-related Forums, I can't just place it somewhere by itself or move it alongside other unrelated forums.

    Making BG3 a subforum of BG2 would be somewhat illogical... the other way around it'd work in general (if the forums weren't active any more, but they are).
     
  3. Rawgrim Gems: 21/31
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    Maybe a section covering older rpgs? Like the Ultima series, or Might and Magic. Stuff like that. They are roleplaying games after all (unlike Diablo 2), and alot of people do still play the old-school rpgs. Just a suggestion anyway.
     
  4. Sir Rechet

    Sir Rechet I speak maths and logic, not stupid Veteran

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    One of the major strengths of BoM is the almost "Elitist Jerks" http://elitistjerks.com/forums.php quality posting when it comes to the technical discussions of the games themselves, compared to a number of other gaming sites I've seen.

    Only that the games the discussion is about are so old and thoroughly plugged that the actual interesting topics to discuss have most often already beaten to death by someone else anno 2002 or so.

    So it's more of a question to which can of worms to open next.
     
  5. joacqin

    joacqin Confused Jerk Veteran

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    I love me some EJ to my WoWing.
     
  6. Merlanni

    Merlanni ★ SPS Account Holder Veteran New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!)

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    A shame that the Drakensang franchise is lacking. It is the next best thing.
     
  7. nior Gems: 24/31
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    I don't think this constitutes a suggestion but more rather an observation. Fact is, in this month alone, this is the 3rd forum I am visiting that have been discussing about dwindling members or trying to generate more forum traffic. It seems that social network sites such as Facebook had done in a big blow to forums in general. Only forum loyalist remains... unless the forum is the kind that doesn't require any real member like trading forums. My observation is, forums that were able to maintain a steady influx are forums that caters to stuff that had an endless supply of audience. Like teen-age talks (for girls), trading forums, and certain sports like running or general gym activities.

    With regards to the PC gaming community, I am currently playing the on-line MMO game called WarFlow (I followed the link here in SP). The developer had a special forum for it but if you visit it, you'd realize that the number of people active there are just a small fraction of the actual number of players. And reading some comments, you find out that the reason for this is the in-game messaging facility. Players would rather ask their questions there and get the answers right away. Gamers nowadays would rather have instant Q&A rather than the post-Q-today-and-hope-for-an-A-tomorrow scenario of a forum.

    I may be wrong but perhaps we are here in SP not for the games anymore. I know I'm not.
     
  8. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    Facebook has definitely contributed much to the decline in forum traffic, if for no other reason than simply due to the fact that many people spend a lot of time on it. Until Facebook came along, that time could have been spent engaging in other types of communities, e.g. forums - and playing "proper" games, not the Facebook kind.

    With our gaming forums the problem was also in the fact that most people who did post, only posted a handful of times - just so that they got the answer to one or a few questions concerning one game. But as long as there were large numbers of these people, it wasn't hard to maintain much more activity. The members who stuck around for longer periods of time and posted across several forums were normally relatively rare. The sad trend is indeed that these "one-post wonders" have all but disappeared and mostly only loyal long-time members remain. Obviously, this isn't very good for the development of the community because it all simply becomes a habit for everyone - the members as well as the board staff.
     
  9. Harbourboy

    Harbourboy Take thy form from off my door! Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

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    Is there a way you can take advantage of Facebook rather than seeing it as a threat?
     
  10. Splunge

    Splunge Bhaal’s financial advisor Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

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    We could charge a fee in order for people to be able to view anything other than the most basic forums (mainly a forum set up to explain why we are charging a fee). That way, we would set ourselves up as an elite community, and people would undoubtedly be knocking down our doors I order to gain admittance to our privileged society, if for no other reason than to see what we are up to.

    We could write a simple script so that anyone going to facebook.com would automatically be redirected here.

    Excellent idea. As long as no one else is allowed in. And as long as that is the only forum I can post in.
    No, wait…

    OK, so seriously (yes, believe it or not, seriously), I think part of the problem is that gaming as a whole is a much broader market than when SP started. SP started when PC gaming was much more popular than it is now (or perhaps more accurately, had a much bigger share of the overall gaming market), whereas now, consoles and the like have taken over. And yet SP still seems to cater to the PC gamer (non-PC games are lumped into The Playground). Maybe consideration needs to be given to put more emphasis on console games.
     
  11. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    There is actually, though it's questionable how much of an advantage it is. Facebook Connect is a feature that allows for faster login creation as it pulls some of the user data from Facebook's records, so new BoM signups would be faster for Facebook users. The latest version of our message board software takes advantage of this, but the implementation of it is somewhat clunky, along with all the other problems vBulletin has had since the buyout.

    There is another idea that I'm toying with though, which I'll be implementing shortly - you'll know it when you see it!

    That sounds oddly familiar. I don't think it'd be that good of an idea really, especially considering how much competition there is in our field - most people would just head over to one of the other forums covering the same games we do. Playing an elite community is all fine and dandy for as long as there's enough traffic - if it dries up, it's just a sure-fire way to create a personal playground for just the admin and a handful of supporters.

    Don't know about that... most of the recent games were or are being developed for the PC and consoles simultaneously, so there's no big divide any more. But there are still PC-only titles, whereas nearly all console titles get ported to the PC as well. Of course, I'm talking primarily about the RPGs, which are mainly what we cover. Except for JRPGs, I think we've got them covered pretty well now - or are there any obvious omissions?
     
  12. LKD Gems: 31/31
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    I have played 3 games on the PC in my life -- BG, BG2, and an aborted attempt at Torment. I'm not really here for the games. I'm here for the social discussions (as proved by my posting locations.) I suppose I could find another community that focusses more on politics and social issues, but why would I? The members here are interesting to talk to and represent a wide spectrum of opinions that I find stimulating. I've also become friends with many of them. I don't see many changes that you could make that would attract more people like me. But as long as I have breath and computer access, I'll be a loyal SPer.
     
  13. Master of Nuhn

    Master of Nuhn Wear it like a crown Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

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    About Console games:

    As far as I know (which isn't very far, I should add) console games often use different rules for D&D feats. I have to plough through quite some text on sites like Gamefaqs to get nice suggestions. SP and the BoM can do better than that and since SP is already in the top 5 google results for any (D&D based) fantasy PC game, I guess you'll attract a decent amount of people for console games as well.

    Most wanted downloads for games:
    A goofy, slow-witted numbskull like me can easily get lost on SP when searching for downloads that add or restore fun to a game. People don't want to go through several subsections of downloadable stuff (Mods/Official patches/editors etc) to find the most wanted patches and such, I guess. SP offers an awful lot of downloads which is nice, but perhaps also confusing. Would it be nice to suggest the most wanted fixes, mods, patches and perhaps custom stuff to browsing people?
    Or: When I go to the BG2-subsection of the Games-section of SP, I immediately enter the walkthrough sub-subsection. Perhaps iso ending up at the walkthroughs, an "all about this game"-infosection would be nice, in which SP suggests the most wanted downloads/walkthroughs etc as well as the related BoM-forum?

    We lost forum-members to jinglebells. Wouldn't the BoM loose even more members to cowbells? :p
     
  14. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    MoN, hmm... something along those lines would be a good idea indeed. Maybe an "SP recommends" section or something similar. Or "Most popular downloads".
     
  15. Disciple of The Watch

    Disciple of The Watch Preparing The Coming of The New Order Veteran

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    Ban the ****ing PG rating.
     
  16. Harbourboy

    Harbourboy Take thy form from off my door! Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

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    There are plenty of other forums that are poorly moderated. I like that this one is well moderated and that the pages aren't full of sparkly animated signatures and incomprehensible / irrelevant posts.
     
  17. Taluntain

    Taluntain Resident Alpha and Omega Staff Member ★ SPS Account Holder Resourceful Adored Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) New Server Contributor [2012] (for helping Sorcerer's Place lease a new, more powerful server!) Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!) BoM XenForo Migration Contributor [2015] (for helping support the migration to new forum software!)

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    We've never had a PG rating to begin with, so that'd be a bit hard. I think I mentioned once that the discussions here should generally conform to the PG-13 rating though (outside of the MUG, that is). I think that that works well enough now that the MUG is there for adult discussions.
     
  18. Mesmero

    Mesmero How'd an old elf get the blues?

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    At the risk of sounding overly cynical...

    Looking at the few game sites I occasionally visit, they offer information that I want and/or need. SP basically offers information on old games that weren't that popular to begin with (loyal followers: yes, critically acclaimed: some, overly popular: maybe KoTOR). Does anybody still download guides and walkthroughs or soundsets or portraits anymore? (I'm kinda curious about this)

    I haven't read the news in ages (does anybody still?), since it doesn't cover anything I'm really interested in anymore. I'm guessing the news on the front page doesn't attract new regular visitors since it can be read at various other news sources around the internet.

    What I do visit SP for are the forums (non gaming forums that is), but I must admit my interest in them declined a few years ago as well. Like said before by others, not many new people come to the forums to ask questions about the games since the information they need is readily available elsewhere or in game, and games nowadays require you to think less making discussing them less interesting. I don't really think making changes to the forums matters much, except cater to the old regulars.

    So, how to breathe life back into this dying old contraption... did you miss Voy's suggestion? (didn't see you comment on it)
    I think switching medium might be the only way to attract new people to this site. Maybe make videos of old games like BG 1 and 2 with tips, hints, tricks etc. that will direct niche gamers that never heard of SP to the site and maybe interest some new people to the games. And of course review and talk about new games that are covered by SP. Nothing too serious tho, just light hearted and fun (if you could get someone with the enthusiasm of this guy, you're golden :) ). Yes, you'll be using somebody else's platform, so some people watching the videos will never visit SP, but if you refer to it, make it well known where the video are from, I'm sure people will visit.

    And yes-vote on the Splunge forum :1eye:
     
  19. Disciple of The Watch

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    Bull-****ing-****. You and your tools have been on my ass time and time again in the past about how I should put the brakes on my use of swear words because apparentness you have a deep hatred of asterisks. Remember that? I remember the number of warnings you dropped on my head about that. You said yourself SP is "family friendly" and with you being on a zealotic quest against asterisks. That is ****ing PG.

    The "MUG" should be called "PG13-UG", as it's barely better than the overall boards.

    Also, for those of you who were inquiring where the hell CD is, allow me to educate you... I don't know exactly what happened in regard to her being part of the news team, and frankly, I don't give a flying ****. CD, as well as myself and several other longtime former members of this PG-rated purgatory all left for the same reasons. What reasons? Those will remain ours and ours alone. I'll just say this: SP used to be a great place. It's now a pale shadow of it's former self.

    I know I said I was leaving for good, and that is still the plan. That is just something I needed to get off my chest.
     
  20. Death Rabbit

    Death Rabbit Straight, no chaser Adored Veteran Torment: Tides of Numenera SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

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    "Still the plan?" What the hell are you waiting for? Just go already.
     
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