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Top 100 Games SP community thinks you should own

Discussion in 'Playground' started by Abomination, Nov 8, 2004.

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    [​IMG] After Harbourboy posted Empire Magazine's top 100 list everyone pretty much agreed that the list was rather, erm, pathetic. The idea of the list was to inform avid game fans what is available today from their local store and what is worth buying. They failed on multiple levels. There were games, such as Halo 2, that had not even been released yet and so the consumer couldn't purchase them and the magazine couldn't possibly know if the game was good or not. There were games such as Baldur's Gate II and Planescape: Torment that, although were definite top-dogs, are not exactly available from local game stores since Black Isle has gone bust. There were games that simply should not be on the list such as Farcry, Final Fantasy Chronicles, The Return of the King, Silent Hill, The Thing and World Snooker Championship 2004 simply due to the incredible lack of quality and or pleasure that could be gained from those games. There were also amazing absences from the list such as: Starcraft, Fallout (they included Baldur's Gate II so why not Fallout 1 or 2?), or Sacrifice.

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    So here's the idea of this thread. Let's compose our OWN list of top 100 games.

    I will keep a list of games, a brief summary of the games pros and cons and their nomination 'value' below the rules.

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    Rules are as follows:

    1. Please provide nomination names in ALPHABETICAL ORDER and ITALICS for easy reference.

    2. ONE game - ONE nomination. Do not include sequels in a nomination unless you want to comment on the ENTIRE series and if so PLEASE state so.

    3. You MUST provide a small 'review' for each game you nominate - about 20-50 words, an essay if you want but do try to keep it short. List the pros and cons of the game please, not "it is good" or "it is bad" since that doesn't exactly tell someone much. Say WHAT is good about the game and WHAT is bad about the game.

    4. Provide the GENRE of the game and the SYSTEM(S) it is on.

    5. You can make up to and including 100 nominations ONLY.

    6. The game can be for any console or PC.

    7. Expansions are considered to be games on their own (so you could nominate Throne of Bhaal for Baldur's Gate II even if Baldur's Gate II had already been nominated), but will be valued at what EXTRAS they add to the game, not as the Game + Expansion as a whole new product. So only nominate an expansion if the expansion deserves merit.

    8. You must have actually completed the game from START to FINISH. Unless you disagree with the nomination, in which case you must have actually PLAYED the game a reasonable amount of time.

    9. If you agree with someone else's opinion of something that deserves to be on 'the list' then state so. If there is something that should be included that the person before forgot to mention, add it after the title. Use Ctrl+F to see if the game is on the list BEFORE you post please. (Use the whole name, e.g. not BG for Baldur's Gate and I use roman numerals for numbers: II = 2)

    10. If you disagree with a title offered, name the title and your reasons for it not being on the list. ALSO include where or when you stopped playing the game if you stopped playing before finishing.

    11. The game with the most nominations will be put at the top of the list yet the list is subject to change over time. A disagreement deducts a nomination (e.g. a game with 10 nominations and 2 disagreements will have a nomination 'value' of 8).

    12. I HAVE NOT PLAYED EVERY GAME MYSELF! I DO NOT KNOW WHAT PLATFORM EVERY GAME IS ON! I DO NOT KNOW WHAT GENRE EVERY GAME IS! DO NOT ASSUME THAT I KNOW THESE THINGS! PLEASE, PLEASE FOLLOW THE RULES! NOT BECAUSE I AM A MEGALOMANIAC, BUT BECAUSE I WANT AN ACCURATE LIST! IF YOU FAIL TO FOLLOW THE RULES YOUR NOMINATION WILL BE IGNORED!

    13. Obey the rules! (Please :( )

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    The List

    Age of Empires - PC, RTS (3)
    [For: Abomination, Harbourboy, Jaguar, Shrikant]
    {Against: Wirhe}
    Pros: Groundbreaker, replayability, tech-tree, engine.
    Cons: Sequel so much better.

    Age of Empires II - PC, RTS (7)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*, Harbourboy, Jaguar, Rednik, Shrikant, teekc]
    Pros: Repeat Age of Empires, many factions.
    Cons: -

    Age of Empires II: Conquerors - PC, RTS (3)
    [For: Caleb*, Shrikant, Tardazor]
    Pros: Repeat Age of Empires II, more factions and units.

    Age of Wonders II: Shadow Magic - PC, RTS (1)
    [For: Rednik]
    Pros: Many races/factions, expansion not needing origional, many units, good turn based combat engine.
    Cons: -

    Alpha Centauri - PC, TBS (5)
    [For: Abomination, Harbourboy, Jaguar, Malovae, Rednik]
    Pros: It's Civilization... in spaaaace! Factions - not nations, customable units, made by Sid Mier.
    Cons: Unbalanced factions (Morganites were way too weak)

    Arcanum - PC, RPG (1)
    [For: Apeman, Fiatil, Rednik]
    {Against: Abomination, Jaguar}
    Pros: Character stats, storyline, variety of play, long game, some like graphics.
    Cons: Buggy, others hate graphics.

    Baldur's Gate - PC, RPG (10)
    [For: Abomination, Aikanaro Apeman, Caleb*, Enagonios, Harbourboy, Jaguar, L, Mystra's Chosen, Taluntain]
    {Against: Wirhe}
    Pros: Tal's Choice!, version 2 D&D, set in Forgotten Realms universe, character creation, variety of play, NPCs, story, good engine, humour, backgrounds.
    Cons: Sequel so much better.

    Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast - PC, RPG (3)
    [For: Caleb, Jaguar, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! repeat Baldur's Gate
    Cons:

    Baldur's Gate II - PC, RPG (14)
    [For: Abomination, Blog, Caleb*, Enagonios, Fiatil, Harbourboy, Jaguar, L, Mystra's Chosen, Pac man, Rhythm, Shrikant, Tardazor, Wirhe]
    Pros: Repeat Baldur's Gate, graphics upgrade.
    Cons: AI, forced quests.

    Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal - PC, RPG (5)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*, Enagonios, Jaguar, Mystra's Chosen, Rhythm]
    {Against: Wirhe}
    Pros: Repeat Baldur's Gate II, character development, good ending to long series.
    Cons: Too much of same.

    Banjo Kazooie - N64, Platform
    [For: Aikanaro]
    Pros: Cute.
    Cons: -

    Blood II: The Chosen - PC, FPS (2)
    [For: Caleb*, Shrikant]
    Pros: Humour, replayability, graphics, PC role-model, not a system-hog.
    Cons: -

    Breath of Fire II - SNES; RPG (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Character, size of game.
    Cons: Too difficult, story.

    Championship Manager (Series) - PC, TBS (1)
    [For: joacqin, L]
    {Against: Shrikant}
    Pros: Addictive, simple, many players.
    Cons: Only for soccer fans.

    Chrono Trigger - SNES; RPG (4)
    [For: Abomination, Blog, Caleb*, Wirhe]
    Pros: Story, replayability, battle system, characters, music.
    Cons: -

    Civilization - PC, TBS (4)
    [For: Abomination, Apeman, Harbourboy, joacqin]
    Pros: Groundbreaker, Made by Cid Mier, replayability, tech trees, empire building, addictive.
    Cons: Cheating AI.

    Civilization II - PC, TBS (4)
    [For: Abomination, Apeman, Harbourboy, joacqin]
    Pros: Made by Cid Mier, replayability, tech trees, empire building.
    Cons: Cheating AI.

    Civilization III - PC, TBS (2)
    [For: Abomination, Harbourboy]
    Pros: Repeat Civilization I and II, smarter AI, more realistic, graphics upgrade.
    Cons: Cheating AI.

    Colin McCrae Rally 2 - PC; Racing (1)
    [For: L]
    Pros: Realistic, graphics, tracks.
    Cons: -

    Command & Conquer - PC, RTS (4)
    [For: Abomination, Jaguar, Rhythm, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! groundbreaker, simplistic, video, multiplayer (when it worked).
    Cons:

    Command & Conquer: Red Alert II - PC, RTS (1)
    [For: Shrikant, Tardazor]
    {Against: Caleb*}
    Pros: Simplistic, mass battles, addictive.
    Cons: Graphics, story, sound, gameplay too simplistic.

    Commander Keen (Series) - PC, Platform (3)
    [For: Abomination, Blog, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons:

    Commandos - PC; RTS (1)
    [For: Shrikant]
    Pros: Realistic, good tactics, individual characters.
    Cons: -

    Conker's Bad Fur Day - N64; Adventure (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Humour.
    Cons: Tries to be too many genres, bad ending.

    Daggerfall, The Elder Scrolls II: - PC; RPG (0)
    [For: L]
    {Against: Rednik}
    Pros: Skill system, huge world.
    Cons: Buggy, combat, graphics.

    Day of the Tentacle - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour, story.
    Cons:

    Deus Ex - PC, FPS & RPG (1)
    [For: teekc]
    Pros: Story, choices, character development.
    Cons:

    Diablo - PC, Action-RPG (6)
    [For: Abomination, Apeman, Enagonios, Jaguar, Mystra's Chosen, Shrikant, Taluntain]
    {Against: Caleb*}
    Pros: Tal's Choice! groundbreaker, replayability, catch-lines.
    Cons: Repetitive, controls, story, graphics.

    Diablo II - PC, Action-RPG (-2)
    [For: Abomination, Mystra's Chosen, Tardazor, Wirhe]
    {Against: Aikanaro, Apeman, Caleb*, Enagonios, L, Shrikant}
    Pros: Replayability, multiplayer, addictive.
    Cons: Repetitive, controls, story, graphics.

    Discworld - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour
    Cons:

    Discworld II - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour
    Cons:

    Doom - PC, FPS (3)
    [For: Abomination, Blog, Jaguar, Mystra's Chosen, Taluntain]
    {Against: Harbourboy, Shrikant}
    Pros: Tal's Choice! groundbreaker, graphics, multiplayer groundbreaker
    Cons: Graphics can't compete with today, repetitive.

    Doom II - PC, FPS (4)
    [For: Abomination, Jaguar, Mystra's Chosen, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! repeat Doom
    Cons:

    Doom III - PC, FPS (-2)
    [For: Was nominated by accident]
    {Against: Jaguar ,Rednik}
    Pros: Graphics, horror, improved classic, mods.
    Cons: Repetitive, that damn flashlight.

    Double Dragon - Gameboy, Platform & Fighting (1)
    [For: Enagonios]
    Pros: Violent.
    Cons: -

    Duke Nukem 3D - PC & N64, FPS (4)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*, Jaguar, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour, multiplayer.
    Cons:

    Dune 2 - PC, RTS (0)
    [For: Abomination]
    {Against: Wirhe}
    Pros: Groundbreaker, set in Dune universe.
    Cons: Doesn't compete with todays gaming.

    Fallout - PC, RPG (4)
    [For: Abomination, Apeman, Caleb*, Rednik]
    Pros: S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system, character creation, variety of play, story, humour, the 'Pipboy', voice acting.
    Cons: -

    Fallout II - PC, RPG (5)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*, Rednik, Rhythm, Wirhe]
    Pros: Repeat Fallout I, very long game, roleplaying.
    Cons: -

    Fifa 2000 - PC & PS2, Sports: Soccer (1)
    [For: Shrikant]
    Pros: Appealed to non-soccer fans.
    Cons: -

    Final Fantasy III/VI - SNES; RPG (3)
    [For: Abomination, Blog, Wirhe]
    Pros: Huge game, many characters, music.
    Cons: Too many battles, too many characters.

    Final Fantasy VII - PC & PSX; RPG (5)
    [For: Abomination, Blog, Enagonios, Malovae, Wirhe]
    Pros: Groundbreaker, story, characters, battle system, music.
    Cons:

    Final Fantasy X - PS2, RPG (4)
    [For: Abomination, Enagonios, Jaguar, Rhythm]
    Pros: Graphics, voice acting, story, combat, character skill development.
    Cons: -

    Final Fantasy: Tactics - PSX; RPG & TBS
    [For: Enagonios]
    Pros: Customable, story.
    Cons: -

    Full Throttle - PC; Action-Adventure (2)
    [For: Mystra's Chosen, Rhythm]
    Pros: Humor, PC role-model.
    Cons: -

    Giants: Citizen Kabuto - PC; FPS, #PS & RTS (1)
    [For: L]
    Pros: Creative concept, fun.

    Grand Theft Auto III - PC & PS2, Racing, 3PS & Platform (1)
    [For: Jaguar]
    Pros: Improved classic, interactive enviroments, choice, anti-hero role, violent.
    Cons: -

    Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PC & PS2, Racing, 3PS & Platform (5)
    [For: Abomination, Jaguar, Malovae, Mystra's Chosen, Shrikant]
    Pros: Violent, story, humour, voice acting, characters, anti-hero role.
    Cons:

    Gran Turismo 2 - PSX, Driving (0)
    [For: Rhythm]
    {Against: Abomination}
    Pros: Many cars, tracks, customable.
    Cons: Not as much 'wow' as the first.

    Grim Fandango - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Rhythm, Taluntain]
    {Against: Wirhe}
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour
    Cons: Slow.

    Half-Life - PC, FPS (7)
    [For: Abomination, Apeman, Pac man, Rednik, Rhythm, Shrikant, Taluntain, Wirhe]
    {Against: Caleb* (What are you thinking?!)}
    Pros: Tal's Choice! engine, story, enemies, weapons, AI, modding community.
    Cons: System-hog for its time, some enemies very annoying.

    Heretic - PC, FPS (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons:

    Heroes of Might and Magic II - PC, TBS (2)
    [For: Abomination, Apeman]
    Pros: Combat system, storyline, many units, music.

    Hexen - PC, FPS (1)
    [For: Colthrun]
    Pros: Sound, classes, puzzles, large levels.
    Cons: Story, few monsters.

    Hitman - PC, 3PS (2)
    [For: Rednik, Shrikant]
    Pros: Choice, play-the-villian.
    Cons: Story.

    Hitman II - PC, 3PS (2)
    [For: Rednik, Shrikant]
    Pros: Repeat Hitman, graphics, stleath rewards.
    Cons: -

    Icewind Dale - PC, RPG (3)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*, Shrikant, Taluntain]
    {Against: Wirhe}
    Pros: Tal's Choice! character creation, story, humour.
    Cons: -

    Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter - PC, RPG (1)
    [For: Caleb*, Shrikant]
    {Against: Wirhe}
    Pros: Repeat Icewind Dale, improved graphics.
    Cons:

    Icewind Dale II - PC, RPG (1)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*[/b], Harbourboy]
    {Against: L, Wirhe}
    Pros: Repeat Icewind Dale, improved graphics, 3rd Edition D&D rules, music.
    Cons: Little NPC interaction, linear.

    Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis - PC; Adventure (2)
    [For: Blog, Colthrun]
    Pros: Story, humour, movie-esque feel, replayability, 3 solutions.
    Cons: Not enough whippin'!

    Jagged Alliance II - PC, TBS-RPG Elements (3)
    [For: Caleb*, Rednik, Rhythm]
    Pros: In depth options, complex combat system, lack of repetition.
    Cons: -

    Jazz Jackrabbit - PC, Platform (2)
    [For: Mystra's Chosen, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour, role-model PC.
    Cons:

    Jazz Jackrabbit II - PC, Platform (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons:

    Kirby's Dreamland - Gameboy; Platform
    [For: Aikanaro]
    Pros: Cute.
    Cons: -

    Leisure Suit Larry - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour
    Cons:

    Leisure Suit Larry VI - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour
    Cons:

    Leisure Suit Larry VII - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour
    Cons:

    Lemmings - PC; Puzzle (2)
    [For: Abomination, Blog]
    Pros: Challenging, cute.
    Cons: Unrewarding ending.

    Lords of the Realm - PC, RTS (1)
    [For: Mystra's Chosen]
    Pros: Groundbreaker, empire management, attitude management.
    Cons: -

    Lost Vikings, The - PC, Platform (2)
    [For: Blog, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!, good mix of puzzle and combat elements.
    Cons:

    Master of Magic - PC, TBS (0)
    [For: Caleb*]
    {Against: Abomination}
    Pros: Customable, many units.
    Cons: Too difficult.

    Master of Orion 2 - PC, TBS (2)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*]
    Pros: Complex, replayability, customable, tech-tree.
    Cons: -

    Max Payne 2 - PC, 3PS (-2)
    [For: Enagonios]
    {Against: Abomination, Rednik, Shrikant}
    Pros: Characters, engine, voice acting, graphics.
    Cons: Good, but not THAT good, less 'wow' factor.

    MDK 2 - PC, RTS (0)
    [For: Wirhe]
    {Against: Abomination}
    Pros: Humour
    Cons: Graphics, story, made in the Land Down Under.

    Medieval: Total War - PC; RTS/TBS
    [For: Abomination]
    Pros: Pretty accurate, realistic combat, empire building, family management, moddable.
    Cons: Missile units way underpowered.

    Megaman (Series) - NES & SNES; Platform (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Cute.
    Cons: -

    Metal Gear Solid - PC, Gamecube & PSX, RPG, 3PS (3)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*, Rhythm]
    Pros: Groundbreaker, characters, controls, story, replayability, PC role-model.
    Cons: -

    Metroid Prime - GC, Platform (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Fun, engine, character.
    Cons:

    Micro Machines - PC, Racing (2)
    [For: Rhythm, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons:

    Might and Magic VI - PC, RPG (0)
    [For: Apeman]
    {Aganist: Abomination}
    Pros: Engine, size, character system, equipment, many enemies.
    Cons: No personality to NPCs, ugly graphics.

    Might and Magic VII - PC, RPG (0)
    [For: Wirhe]
    {Against: Abomination}
    Pros: Repeat Might and Magic VI, better graphics.
    Cons: Same as Might and Magic VI without graphics.

    Monkey Island, Curse of - PC; Adventure (3)
    [For: Abomination, Rhythm, Talunain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour, charming graphics, voice acting, point-and-click at its best.
    Cons: -

    Monkey Island II: Le Chuck's Revenge - PC; Adventure. (2)
    [For: Abomination, Blog]
    Pros: Repeat Monkey Island, Cure of[/b], improved graphics, longer game.

    Morrowind, The Elder Scrolls III: - PC & XBox; RPG. (0)
    [For: Abomination, L]
    {Against: Rednik, Wirhe}
    Pros: Huge world, character system, graphics.
    Cons: Game is too short, conversation is dull, serious system hog, quests, travel time, combat.

    Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit - PC, Racing (1)
    [For: Shrikant]
    Pros: Violate traffic laws, get chased by cops - just like real life but no fines.
    Cons: Whoever designed the roadways needs to be shot.

    Need for Speed: Porshe Unleashed - PC, Racing (1)
    [For: Shrikant]
    Pros: Lots of cars you could never afford, graphics, tracks.
    Cons: No Mercedes.

    Neverwinter Nights - PC, RPG (-2)
    [For: Abomination]
    {Against: Enagonios, Rednik, Rhythm}
    Pros: :hahaerr: Multiplayer, graphics.
    Cons: Try-hard.

    No One Lives Forever 2 - PC; FPS (1)
    [For: teekc]
    Pros: Character development, humour.
    Cons: -

    Pilotwings 64 - N64; Sports (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Freedom.
    Cons: Controls.

    Planescape: Torment - PC, RPG (6)
    [For: Abomination, Apeman, Caleb*, L, Midwinter, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! atmosphere, story/plot, characters, interesting non-run-of-the-mill universe.
    Cons: -

    Pocky and Rocky (Series) - SNES; Adventure (0)
    [For: Wirhe]
    {Against: Blog}
    Pros: Creative, unique.
    Cons: Difficult, luck factor.

    Prehistorik - PC, Platform (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons:

    Prehistorik II - PC, Platform (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons:

    Prince of Persia: Sands of Time - GC, PC, PS2 & XBox, Platform, Action & Adventure (2)
    [For: Enagonios, Rhythm]
    Pros: Graphics, sound, story, puzzles, level design.
    Cons: Unbalanced combos.

    Project Gotham Racing 2 - XBox; Racing (1)
    [For: Mystra's Chosen]
    Pros: Many tracks, many vehicles, graphics, realistic handling.
    Cons: -

    Punchout (Series) - NES & SNES; Sports: Boxing (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Creative.
    Cons: Difficult.

    Quake II - PC, FPS (2)
    [For: Abomination, Shrikant]
    Pros: Improved classic, multiplayer, graphics, bosses.
    Cons:

    Raptor - PC, Platform (2)
    [For: Blog, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! graphics, weapons.
    Cons: Replayability.

    Rise Of Nations - PC, RTS (2)
    [For: Mystra's Chosen, Shrikant]
    Pros: Tech-tree, graphics, combination of RTS and TBS in campeign mode, complexity.
    Cons: -

    Rome: Total War - PC, RTS/TBS (1)
    [For: Abomination]
    Pros: Realistic combat, empire building, family management, moddable, engine, graphics, battle-speaches, elephants!
    Cons: Not as accurate as many would hope.

    Sam and Max Hit the Road - PC, Adventure (4)
    [For: Abomination, Rednik, Rhythm, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour, pleasant graphics, story.
    Cons: -

    Secret of Mana - SNES; RPG (2)
    [For: Apeman, Blog, Wirhe]
    Pros: Groundbreaking battle system, good character development system, multiplayer RPG.\
    Cons: -

    Secret of Mana II (A.K.A. Seiken Densetu 3) - SNES; RPG (1)
    [For: Caleb*]
    Pros: Repeat Secret of Mana, characters.
    Cons: Game is replayable but sheer lengh discourages replaying.

    Settlers II - PC, RTS (2)
    [For: Abomination, Apeman]
    Pros: Music, gameplay, empire building, economy.
    Cons: -

    Sims 2, The - PC, Simulation (1)
    [For: Blog, Wirhe]
    {Against: Rednik}
    Pros: Addictive, addictive, addictive, "sadistically funny".
    Cons: -

    Space Invaders - PC & Arcade (this was on machines that don't exist anymore), Shoot-the-aliens type game.
    [For: Harbourboy]
    Pros: Groundbreaker, culture-icon.
    Cons: Got pretty damn hard at later stages, would steal your money.

    Space Quest - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons: -

    Space Quest VI - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons: -

    Starcraft - PC, N64 & Mac, RTS (4)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*, Rhythm, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! balanced races, story, engine, characters, replayability, map editor, multiplayer.
    Cons: -

    Starcraft: Brood War - PC, N64 & Mac, (2)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*]
    Pros: Repeat Starcraft, expanded Starcraft
    Cons: -

    Star Trek: Elite Force - PC, FPS (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! Star Trek
    Cons: Star Trek :p

    Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds - PC, RTS (-1)
    [For: Harbourboy]
    {Against: Rednik, Rhythm}
    Pros: Based on solid engine, Star Wars, replayability, story.
    Cons: Clone of Age of Empires.

    Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - PC & XBox, RPG (2)
    [For: Abomination, The Kilted Crusader]
    Pros: Story, characters, character skill development, based on version 3 D&D, graphics, voice acting, Star Wars.
    Cons:

    Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire - N64 & PC; FPS (1)
    [For: ejsmith]
    Pros: Star Wars, story, many vehicles to pilot, memorable movie moments, story, ending.
    Cons: -

    Street Fighter II (+ Variations) - SNES & Arcade; Fighting (5)
    [For: Abomination, Caleb*, Harbourboy, Shrikant, Wirhe]
    Pros: Improvements on classic, unique characters.
    Cons: -

    Street Fighter Alpha III - Arcade & PSX, Fighting (0)
    [For: Rhythm]
    {Against: Abomination}
    Pros: Improvements on classic, graphics.
    Cons: Filler characters, doesn't compare to modern games, less 'wow' factor than origional.

    Stronghold - PC, RTS (2)
    [For: Abomination, Mystra's Chosen]
    Pros: Fun medieval combat, castle building, humour, mini-empire management, non-homing arrows!
    Cons: -

    Super Mario Brothers (Series) - NES & SNES; Platform (5)
    [For: Abomination, Jaguar, Shrikant, teekc, Wirhe]
    Pros: Groundbreaker, addictive, music, Italian plumbers.
    Cons: -

    Super Mario 64 - N64; Platform (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Repeat Super Mario Brothers (Series), graphics, sound.
    Cons: -

    Super Mario Sunshine - GC; Platform (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Levels, challanging.
    Cons: Kind'a childish.

    Super Metroid - SNES; Platform (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Dark and mature atmosphere, challenging.
    Cons: Sometimes too challenging.

    System Shock II - PC, FPS-RPG (2)
    [For: Abomination, Rednik]
    Pros: Horror, story, depth, good RPG system.
    Cons: -

    Super Smash Brothers (Series) - N64; Fighting & Platform (1)
    [For: Blog]
    Pros: Cute, combination of popular Nintendo characters, multiplayer.
    Cons: Single player isn't that fun.

    Tales of Phantasia - SNES; RPG (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Graphics, creative.
    Cons: Battle system.

    Tecmo World Cup - NES; Sport (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Challenging.
    Cons: Graphics.

    Tekken 4 - PS2 & Arcade, Fighting (1)
    [For: Caleb*]
    Pros: Improved on classic, characters, arenas, moves.
    Cons: -

    Thief - PC, FPS & Puzzle(?) (2)
    [For: Colthrun, L]
    Pros: Atmosphere, sound, story, character, choice of solution.
    Cons: Expert thief: can hide in plain sight, silent as death but don't expect him to traverse windows.

    Thief II - PC, FPS & Puzzle (3)
    [For: Colthrun, L, Wirhe]
    Pros: Repeat Thief.
    Cons: -

    TOCA 2 PC; Racing (1)
    [For: L]
    Pros: Tracks, exciting.
    Cons: -

    Tomb Raider - PC & PSX; 3PS & Platform (-1)
    [For: Abomination, Jaguar, teekc]
    {Against: Enagonios, Rednik, Shrikant, Wirhe}
    Pros: Groundbreaker, hot PC.
    Cons: Camera

    Toonstruck - PC, Adventure (3)
    [For: Abomination, Rhythm, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! humour
    Cons:

    Ultima IV - Megadrive; RPG (1)
    [For: L]
    Pros: CAN I GET SOME PROS HERE OTHER THAN 'GOOD'?
    Cons: -

    Ultima VII: The Black Gate - PC, RPG (3)
    [For: Blog, Midwinter, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! companions, realistic world, manipulation of world, huge world.
    Cons: -

    Ultima Underworld II - PC, RPG (2)
    [For: Abomination, Blog]
    Pros: Improvement on groundbreaker, story, long game.
    Cons: No party members.

    Unreal: Tournament - PC, FPS (4)
    [For: Abomination, Jaguar, Shrikant, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! multiplayer, mods, graphics.
    Cons:

    Viewtiful Joe - GC, Platform (1)
    [For: Wirhe]
    Pros: Hectic action.
    Cons: Hard.

    Warcraft - PC, RTS (2)
    [For: Abomination, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! groundbreaker
    Cons:

    Warcraft II - PC, RTS (5)
    [For: Abomination, Blog, Caleb*, Rhythm, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! improved Warcraft, story, multiplayer.
    Cons:

    Warcraft III - PC, RTS (2)
    [For: Blog, Shrikant, Taluntain]
    {Against: Rednik}
    Pros: Tal's Choice! graphics, multiplayer, improved classic, characters, engine, editor and community.
    Cons: Repetitive.

    Wasteland - PC, RPG (1)
    [For: Rednik]
    Pros: Groundbreaking, depth, interactivity.
    Cons: -

    Wolfenstein 3D - PC; FPS (3)
    [For: Abomination, Shrikant, Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice! groundbreaker, graphics.
    Cons:

    Worms - PC; Platform, TBS & Action (3)
    [For: Abomination, Mystra's Chosen, Shrikant]
    Pros: Groundbreaking, humour, many weapons.
    Cons:

    X-Com: UFO Defence - PC; TBS & RPG (2)
    [For: Abomination, Rednik]
    Pros: Origional concept, engine, tactics.

    X-Com III: Enemy Unknown - PC & PSX; TBS & RPG (0)
    [For: Malovae]
    {Against: Abomination}
    Pros: Repeat X=Com: UFO Defence, graphics upgrade.
    Cons: Not enough new content.

    Yoshi Story - N64, Platform (1)
    [For: Caleb*]
    Pros: Soundtrack.
    Cons: -

    Zelda: Link to the Past, The Legend of - SNES; Action & Platform (2)
    [For: Blog, Wirhe]
    Pros: Groundbreaker, large game, creative, rewarding, music, story.
    Cons: Easy.

    Zelda: Ocarina of Time, The Legend of - N64; Action & Platform (2)
    [For: Aikanaro, Wirhe]
    Pros: Long game, challenging.
    Cons: Same story as Zelda: Link to the Past, The Legends of.

    Zool - PC, Platform (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons:

    Zork - The Grand Inquisitor - PC, Adventure (1)
    [For: Taluntain]
    Pros: Tal's Choice!
    Cons:

    Key:
    :hahaerr: Abom likes it but nobody else seems to

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    1 nomination for BG1


    Hmmm, how about:

    Project Gotham Racing 2 (XBox)
    Race in a whackload of cities with a whole whackload of cars, all realistic and tuned properly. Graphics are simply amazing and will give you little goose-bumps everywhere - even on your feet! Truly an expierience that will change your life forever! :)

    BG2 (Pc) RPG
    Nuff said!

    Rise Of Nations (PC) RTS
    With 7 ages (IIRC) and seemingly limitless tech upgrades and units, it really is an RTS that stands above the rest. Graphics are the best I've seen for an RTS, while still keeping the birds eye.

    Stronghold (PC) ummm, RTS? I don't actually know what to classify it as.
    With proper arrow volleys and catapults (no more unlimited boulders to hurl), not to mention pretty much everything you can think of that's medieval, not to mention a rather hilarious in-game clock and calender which, based on time, warns you to sleep and eat, and even wishes you merry christmas! I'd say it can go side by side with Lords of the Realm.

    Lords of the Realm (PC) Again, I'm not sure what to call this. RTS or RPG, I'm not sure.
    The granpappy of castle building conquest games. You have to encourage people to come to your town, you've got to recruit peasants into the army, which lowers your happiness meter. Just a great game.

    Full Throttle (PC) action adventure?
    Where else can basically kill a guy by throwing sand in his face and knocking him off his bike? C'mon, he's a bad-ass biker dude. This NEEDS to be on everyone's shelf.
     
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    :p A little cut and paste not too much to ask, MC?

    Agree: Stronghold and Baldur's Gate II.

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    Planescape: Torment (PC) RPG
    A hugely atmospheric game with brilliantly-written characters and a deep, well-crafted plot. It's also set in a world far removed from standard fantasy, making it interesting to explore.

    Ultima VII: The Black Gate (PC) RPG
    Interesting companions, a world which actually feels alive (people sleep, go to work, eat at the tavern, etc), where practically everything can be manipulated, where every book can be opened, where there are no generic townspeople, where you can actually get a job if you need money, and where the whole world is open to exploration.
     
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    All for PC.

    Age of Empires 2- Really set the bar high for RTS in my eyes; a ton of civilizations combined with a ton of unique techs and units makes this game extremely enjoyable and a blueprint for later RTSes.

    Age of Wonders II:Shadow Magic- I might take some flak for nominating this, but this is truly an amazing turn-based strategy game, and it is severely underrated. All standalone expansions should be like this; I didn't even need the original. 15 races and a multitude of units and a remarkably deep turn-based combat engine make this game a winner.

    Fallout 2-A much longer sequel to a great game, Fallout 2 has even more chances to roleplay than the original, and doesn't cease to amaze me with its intricacy.

    Jagged Alliance 2- Definitely a classic turn-based strategy game, I have never seen such in-depth options in any other game. The gameplay is difficult, but once the combat system is learned, you can appreciate its intricacies. Each battle is incredible to play through.

    System Shock 2-A a beastly RPG/Shooter, this game sets the bar really high for horror games, but also has a lot of RPG depth to be found.

    Wasteland -Arguably the best RPG of all time. Full of depth and interactivity that transcends its age(1987 I think) Definitely worth a go, especially since it's abandonware.
     
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    Ok, I´m going:

    Baldur´s gate 2 - Come on, it´s THE RPG. It´s almost perfect, except for graphics.

    Age of Empires II: Conquerors - Aztecs and Spanish rocks!

    Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2 - Playing with the Russians, the Tank Rush becomes a way of life for you.

    Diablo II - Thousand of items, lot of monsters and 5 good classes for PC, never the Hack & Slash did so funny.
     
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    Harbourboy Take thy form from off my door! Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

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    Agree: Age of Empires 2, Baldur's Gate

    Age of Empires RTS. Despite several sequels, this game still set the benchmark for real time empire building. Massive replay value even after you've completed the campaigns due to the random map and multiplayer options.

    Civilization 2 Turn based strategy. Much slicker than it's clunkier (but still brilliant) predecessor, Civ 2 is, in my opinion, the most replayable game ever. Every new map is different, each of your opponent tribes plays a slightly different style, and the AI is pretty good. Civ 2 just pips (the also brilliant) Civ 3 because the computer seems to cheat less in this one.

    Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds : Real time strategy. Just like Age of Empires but with Wookiees and Imperial Walkers instead of Romans and siege engines. All the replayability of AoE plus some cool campaigns involving the likes of Chewbacca and C3PO. The Jedi Master rocks.
     
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    Eh, Galactic Battlegrounds isn't worthy. It's basically AoE2 with different skins.
     
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    Harbourboy Take thy form from off my door! Veteran Pillars of Eternity SP Immortalizer (for helping immortalize Sorcerer's Place in the game!)

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    It's got lightsabres therefore it rules. :p
     
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    Agree: Baldur's Gate II, Fallout 2 and Jagged Alliance 2.

    Nominations:

    Curse of Monkey Island - PC, Adventure
    Pros: Excellent humour, charming graphics, voice acting, point-and-click adventure at its best.
    Cons: -

    Half-life - PC, First Person Shooter
    Pros: Story-driven, good AI, variety in enemies and weapon types.
    Cons: -

    Review:-

    Curse of Monkey Island- PC, Adventure
    A continuation of the Monkey Island series, Curse of Monkey Island received a graphics overhaul and though helmed by a different person from the previous two games it managed to retain the essence of the Monkey Island series. Throw in great humour and unforgettable characters and you get a classic.

    Half-life- PC, First Person Shooter
    A game that changed the landscape of the FPS universe. The developer's concentration on the story gave birth to a new breed of story-driven shooters, and nowadays gamers demand nothing less. Oh, and the shooting part was a lot of fun too.

    I can't think of any cons for the games I mentioned but when I do I'll update the post. There are a few others I wish to nominate, but I'll do it at a later time.
     
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    [​IMG] Yes, how could I forget Half-Life? And add one nomination for Fallout from me please.

    Sam and Max Hit the Road (PC-Adventure) -First game I ever played; a hilarious animated adventure game with pleasant cartoon graphics and an neverending stream of irreverent comedy. The adventure is pretty robust too. Considering its age, I really can't think of any cons; it's probably the best game of 1994.
     
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    Agree: Age of Empires II, Planescape: Torment, Fallout II, System Shock II, Age of Empires, Civilization II, Half-Life and Sam and Max Hit the Road.
     
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    If NWN gets on this list I will shoot myself in the face.
     
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    Quick! Someone propose NWN! :D Fine, I will.

    Neverwinter Nights - PC, RPG
    Brought D&D to the masses with 3D graphics, addictive multiplayer and lovely PC soundsets. It tried to be Baldur's Gate and failed yet the multiplayer finally allowed people to pit their characters against one another and the world editor was easy and fun to use.

    I also agree with Diablo II - when you stop thinking of it as something trying to be an RPG and play it like something looking for an excuse to slay the denizens of hell it comes out as a brilliant game.
     
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    Oh, damn you for proposing that.

    One more from me:

    Arcanum (PC-RPG)-Deep skill set and branching paths between technology and magic, an extremely long and varied storyline and decent graphics(IMO). Impressive dialogue and story too.
     
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    Finally, got myself a system that I can keep up with. I'll pobably post to say I've done everything and everyone's opinion up to my last post so you know if I'm managing to keep up.
     
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    Sounds good. This list is going to be something, eh?
    Much better than that crap from the other thread.
     
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    Thats the goal. It'll take awhile to work on and I'm not going to offer ALL of my opinions on what games should be on the list and I don't expect everyone else to either. Just a game now and then, check the list to see if you've voted or anti-voted for a game or not is all I ask :) You don't HAVE to vote for a game, I'm letting people sit on the fence :)

    If it's not suggested though it doesn't get considered. I might eventually take games from this list to find the best game from certain genres, systems and so forth. :) Heck, I might add developers/producers and year of release eventually. Soon we'll have a list that every nerd will want to inspect... muaaahahaha! I'll make millions! :money:
     
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    Agree with Arcanum and Baldur's Gate 2
     
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    Agree: Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II, Age of Empires, Age of Empires II.

    Disagree: Arcanum.

    Nominating:

    Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal - PC, Role Playing Game

    Repeat Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II. Good development of characters, as well a well laid storyline and large amount of game play.

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