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The War on Porn

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Aikanaro, Oct 11, 2005.

  1. chevalier

    chevalier Knight of Everfull Chalice ★ SPS Account Holder Veteran

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    Only in an ideal simplistic liberal world. In fact, porn is closely tied to prostitution and the rest of the sex industry, which is an industry not inherently based on the consent of all involved, to say the least. Supporting porn supports that industry.

    Next, watching porn may lead to developing an addiction in anyone who is really interested. Only someone who doesn't really care won't be affected, others will want more and more of it and the slippery slope will begin.

    - There's a party tomorrow.
    - Great.
    - Alcohol?
    - Sure.
    - Girls?
    - Sure. Whole six gigabytes.


    :rolleyes:

    Needless to say, any addiction whatsoever is not the problem of just the addict. It's a social problem and addiction in one person more or less directly results in addiction in other people. It also affects the lives of family members, as well as marital life. You can't say porn has no effect on marriage.

    Censoring admittedly sucks and one of the reasons is that it's such a good way of advertising filthy stuff that those who are really interested will get anyway. However, erotic stories with children stay within the boundaries of a certain perverse market, the same as real kid porn. That market creates a base for paedophiles.

    Neither is your liberal standard universal, by the same rules you apply.

    Here's the crux of the problem because incredibly sick stuff gets through under the guise of art.

    Sake or not, what does it matter when the content is still there?
     
  2. Gnarfflinger

    Gnarfflinger Wiseguy in Training

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    I think ultimately, certain things in content, regardless of value ought to be banned (rape pornography, child pornography).
     
  3. Susipaisti

    Susipaisti Maybe if I just sleep... Veteran

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    Lo and behold! On most parts I agree with Gnarfflinger *and* chevalier on this one.

    Natch. Anyone read the memoirs of Linda Lovelace? Even if it's as exaggerated as some claim, it paints a pretty blood-boiling picture of the workings of the porn industry.

    If all the criminal stuff - not just children and that stuff, but also forcing people to perform under the threat of violence, making drug addicts perform for fixes, abusing people with mental problems, there's a whole lot of stuff like that going on - could be rooted out and *kept* out of the industry, I'd have no problem with it.
     
  4. Gnarfflinger

    Gnarfflinger Wiseguy in Training

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    Exactly, Susipaisti. A woman fairly compensated for her services in a video or photo shoot is none of my business. I won't support this, but I won't try to ban it. Rape, children or exploitation has no place in proper society...
     
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    I agree with Gnarfflinger! As long as the actors engaged freely, and were compensated adequately, then I don't see a problem... Tons of people enjoy watching porn, it sometimes even makes their sex lives better!
    In my country we have no problem with sex. It's considered a normal thing! We have countless nude beaches, sex shops, brothels, sex programs on tv, you name it! So maybe we are, generally spoken, less frustrated then people who live in countries where showing a naked breast is a capital sin… I can't say that for sure, of course, but I do think things like that are related...
     
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    I am not into porn at all, but I have nothing against tasteful sex-scenes in movies. Still I will not support a ban, unless its glamorises rape, sex with animals etc.
     
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    Whether or not porn is morally culpable is debatable, right enough. But regardless of the assessment of porn as corruptive or merely entertaining (and this may apply to adults in the same way as to youngsters), the question in the context of war against porn should not be "how far should we go in prohibiting internet porn" but rather "is it feasible to prohibit internet porn - and if it isn't: how can we protect our children even so?"

    I think that it is impossible to prevent porn samples from flying loosely through the web. It is not really possible to shove the responsibility to the government in this case - parental supervision is required here. How much time does a healthy teenager have to spend online anyway?

    OK, I'm well aware of the fact that posing this question online is not the winning me the Convicing John Doe Award, but really: parents know of the dangers of the frightening pit that is the internet (nevermind...), how then can parents expect their children to circumsail the cliffs of sex on their own?

    By the way, don't thank me for putting in the extra paltry metaphor every now and then, the pleasure is all mine. ;)
     
  8. NOG (No Other Gods)

    NOG (No Other Gods) Going to church doesn't make you a Christian

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    I certainly agree that parents should be responsible for most of the work. I hate that responsability for teaching morality has moved to the schools, which have now been prevented from teaching morality. Parents need to get back to the job of raising children and not leave it up to 'competent professionals'. But at the same time, there is some stuff the government can do.
     
  9. Gnarfflinger

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    Ultimately, it is what the parents teach their children that will guide them online. If the Children are taught that Pornography is dangerous, they will not seek out this filth, nor will they linger on accidentally found sites with this content. If they are not taught anything about it, they will do as they please when confronted with the situation.

    The other side of the coin is that when highly objectionable content (rape porn, Child porn, other truly vile crap) is found, authorities need to figure out a way to find and stop these perpetrators. This would be where the providers of such services come in. I would imagine that if someone were to post a picture depicting child pornography here, not only would they be banned (and likely flamed repeatedly before the Mods themselves caught this), but there has to be a way find them IRL so that the proper authorities can deal with them...
     
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