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Lokken it is true so don't start ok?
People are going to starve in their millions and that is all that matters.
If these attacks take place then i will consider the us not worthy of being titled civilised.

 

May I please have a reference to your source? I would very much like to know.

The people are starving anyway, it should be corn and not opium on those fields.
And why should US shoot civilians or destroy fields?
It's the military who supports terrorists that's the enemy, not the local farmers. I truly don't believe you would aim one single bomb or missile at a plain contryside, where's the terrrorist I'm asking?

A good thing of an attack, would be to get rid of that Taliban rule. Perhaps Afghanistan could even open trade routes with the western world.

 

oh please moronic behaiviour does not suit you!
If you READ what i put you would have seen that i said that the aid workers have been chucked out of the country! this is because obviously they are british and some american and cannot be allowed to stay in a country which will soon be at war with them.
The aid supplied by this people is essential to the survival of millions of people in afganistan and if the aid is notreturned soon the will begin to perish.
There has been a 3 year drought and what i am saying is pure fact. Go and find out on the internet if you want!
BTW:I have my source from the BBC 6 o'clock news actually!

 

I did read your post and I know the aid-workers are gone, but you make sound like an attack is the cause of the starvation and not the withdrawl of the aid-workers

well, how many is that, is that the millions you speak of? how would I know?

not a single reference to the aid-workers being involved in the starvation of millions of people here, you are more like blaming the bombs or soldiers for the starvation of millions.

[This message has been edited by Lokken (edited September 18, 2001).]

 

Lokken i am sory but i wrote it wrong.
And i think it is funny that you say:
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you are more like blaming the bombs or soldiers for the starvation of millions.

When it clearly states in my quote the word indirectly! lol.
And as for BTA Get it over quickly?
Don't make me laugh the American army is the most useless in the world!
vietnam?

 

Actually, if you were really keeping up with the news, you would realize that the aid workers had already been targeted before the attacks. The aid workers are accused of trying to convert Muslims to Christianity; in Afghanistan, the offense is punishable by death. Here is a link updating the situation in regards to two of the US workers:

US Aid Workers

Incidentally, both spellings of Taleban appear to be correct. I'm not sure if they are simply alternate spellings, or if one is plural and the other singular.

Arkados, good point about human nature... bad point about Japan. It's true we've got to accept the natural tendencies of man towards evil, and deal with it in a realistic way. That's why we're not preaching love and restraint to the terrorists; we're being realists. Die bin Laden die.

On the other hand.... "Japan had a foreign policy, America didn't like it"? You mean Japan's foreign policy of surprise attacking the US, and then declaring war on them?

 

And i suppose you colonials sent the Indians a note of warning before you slaughtered them?

PS: It does not matter what shit the aid workers got up to there. 99% of them were doing good and now people wil starve because they are gone!

 

Sorry i forgot Americans are the unbeatable gods of the universe.
And if America did not threaten action then the aid workers would not have been expelled.

 

Let's see... "unbeatable gods of the universe" or "useless."

Sorry but the name "Extremist" is already taken. Try to inject a little common sense into your comments. Or maybe even read a history book. Did you just glom on to the fact that the U.S. was kicked out of Vietnam, or have you bothered to read about the reasons why?

And as was already pointed out to you, the Taliban started kicking out aid workers not long after they blew up every Buddha statue they could find.

Care to comment on the fact that the US gave $117 million in humanitarian aid in 2001? How exactly do we end up being the bad guys if we were the ones giving them food in the first place? You can hardly expect Americans to remain in the country at this point EVEN IF WE DO NOT ATTACK AFGHANISTAN. Do you really think that they're safe over there even if no US troops enter the country?

Where are you from? Don't you even have an educational system, or is just an string of propaganda about the Yankee capitalist pig-dogs and their evil ways of eating children and sacrificing them to MTV?

 

Uh... Daragorn, America wouldn't have threatened action if several planes full of their citizens hadn't been hijaked and flown into various highly populated working centers, resulting in the deaths of said passengers and the inhabitants of said working centers.

I'm a little confused by this whole thread:

1.) a ton of American citizens have been murdered. Arkados's reaction was to go into the chat room and admit laughing at the deaths, then claim the moral high ground in the thread... interesting. Arkados's argument is now that instead of retaliating for the death's of its citizens, America should shower its suspected attacker with love and sustenance.

2.) Daragorn, aside from my point above, honestly you just seem to be pointlessly ranting about not liking America, or Americans very much. Bringing up different times in a countries history where they weren't bahaving very nicely is rather irrelevent to the subject... bring up any 'civilized' country and you can come up with attrocities in the most horrible form. Especially if your talking about a 200 year timespan.

3.) Kevlar? America = nazi regime?? were you joking? As far as I know the US hasn't staged an attempt to dominate all of Europe in a military takeover, and the US has not participated in ethnic cleansing. What exactly are you so angry about? which brings me to my long delayed point:

4.) Why are so many people so pissed off about the enourmous number of Afghani civilians that the US has not killed? Correct me if I'm wrong, a couple thousand (at least) Americans died, and no retaliation has been launched.

So what are you all so angry about?

 

When one is upset its hard to focus on issues. Basicly what Dargorn is trying to say is:

a) that not all Afghanistans are of equal opinions. True
b) That conventional warfare is obsolete to the US against terrorism. True
c*) Killing Bin Laden, will not accomplish a whole lot. Partually true


*Note added to c) Taliban has just declared war on US. Check Tals's link. Ok? If it comes so far that Bin Laden is in danger, I think he would be smart enough to donate his funds in some way or another to Taliban leaders like Mullah Mohammed Omar (link below) Or he would distribute it out to his many branches across the world. So the fact that it is pointless to kill Bin Laden is partually true .

It is however also partually wrong since killing Bin Laden will be as good as any first step of many, to make the world safer.

I wont put anything more since I have told my opinion in WTC-thread. Those of you who really wants to debate this knows it. And those who just wants to flame, I wont spend anymore time on explaining myself twice.

Link: link

[This message has been edited by Taluntain (edited September 19, 2001).]

 

I cannot cope with you Americans anymore. Why do you need such a large drug problem when you can get so high on your egos!

I am bored of all this slaughtering as i have a;ready told Nobleman in an e mail i sent.
I have had enough of this constant war and disrespect for the sanctity of human life!
I would never willingly kill another human unless i absolutely had too!
ythe fact is i have watched the world destroying itself over and over again and i am sick of it. I mean really sick.
America and the terrorists and Britain and every other country i can think of are all guilty (but the first two more than others).
The USA and the Afgans or Talibans or whatever you call them are just as bad as each other. Go on slaughter each other! You could try to end the violence now by just shutting the fuck up but no! you must attack to protect your huge egos.
Well i tell you i could not give a flying fuck anymore! I don't care if people died in America, I don't care if you go and slaughter the afgans! I have had enough and now i will sit back and watch happily and smuggly as you destroy each other!
Good Luck to you! And all you other murdering Nazi's out there!

 

hmmmm I think you need some time to relax. You are getting stressed up. Pull out the plug on the SP, and take a few days with strolls and walks in the forrests and nature.

Noone will gain anymore in this thread tonight, I think.

EDITED HERE: Dargorn I think a key word you are looking for is UNconventional warfare. This is Infact the army's (CIA's) current strategy as Shralp also indicates.

[This message has been edited by Nobleman (edited September 19, 2001).]

 

Yeah let the Americans make their foolish judgement while we the inoccent british get dragged into this show of Nazi barbarism.

 

Dargorn, you do realize half the people arguing against you are not American, anyway?

I don't recall if I've posted this somewhere, or if I just talked about it in the chatroom, but I'll go ahead and remind you here. I am NOT for killing either. As a matter of fact, if I were drafted into the army, I would request for a medical or tech position, so that I would not have to personally take someone's life. At the same time, I do recognize the necessity of a reprisal. As has been pointed out by many people, you just can't let this go and expect the terrorists to be happy. Granted we need some changes in foreign policy, and I'm sure the US will be taking a very close look at that. But at this point, changing policy is not enough. Even if we were to lay down and capitulate to every terrorist demand, it would only lead to more demands as they capitalized on our perceived weakness.

 

I am an american but I don't care where you live! Don't all of you realize that this guy and his followers goal is either rule the world or destroy it! I think that includes all of us.