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IMHO copyright laws in their current shape are one big rip off tool. The whole construct of getting a license (i.e. obligational legal tie) in a shop like you normally buy goods is a big joke. Crack down on plagiarism, sure. But the whole licensing thing for private users is an absurd.

 

@ Chevalier

Maybe, but that is capitalism and we know communism is a failure. What I think is that companies use these licenses to protect their benefits from both the consumer law and, of course, piratism. This is why I refuse to stop looking for a host -by allowing the companies to do like they will without even needing to open the law book only encourages them to press on even more. Naturally, it's the consumer that is the weaker side and this is even admitted in the law of Finland (if I can remember anything from my lessons).

[ June 16, 2005, 17:53: Message edited by: Wirhe ]

 

Yeah I was not completely sure about software, but downloading books,music and movies is still legal as far as I know.

A foreign company would go through a different process yes, but still not through you. If your computer holds illegal materials or is used to distribute illegally it will be confiscated no matter how small the crime would be. You would most certainly not face prison but would probably have to pay fines, which would probably be small though. But as I said it's very unlikely that you'd get caught especially if you used an Asian server and if you used a US or an European server they would have you remove all the copyrighted materials anyway.

 

Tal: In a way yes, but morgoroth was exaggerating that you can copy anything as much as you want for private use. That is not the case.

An example would be that you buy a music cd. Then make a copy of it to yourself. Then you can sell the original cd, but not the copy. Also, you don't have to own the the cd, you could also make a copy from a borrowed cd. But once again, software is not in this category. Making copies of software is illegal except for backup purposes.

Private or personal use means within your family or similiar.

 

It's a legal loophole sure and I'm quite sure it's not very intentional. Why it has not been changed I can't say, the copyright laws were updated a few years ago and it was not fixed then, it will be probably fixed in a few years though.

 

You have to try. Small site, remember? But really, it was just layout for the jest.

I assume you won't be reading the books either. What a pity... some of them are really good! You should take at least a peek!

Anyway, if there really comes a letter in the post, be it a formal warning or that serious kind, there is always the option of torrenting all the books. Would teach the publishing company a lesson if suddenly 5 or more torrent sites with 10.000x more visitors EACH would have all those precious books available for download; those books they are so desperately trying to protect.

So just compare and put some reason to the Hunt of Illegal material. And by the way... why are we still talking about the law when it was the morality side that was the more interesting one?

 

Yeah, I know what you mean and you are absolutely right. Borrowing a book or buying it as a paper print is a lot more convinient that reading it from a louzy 60 Hz CRT monitor. You can even flex once in a while, have a sip of something warm, and read it any way you want by simply turning the book a little. eBooks are harmless, so you have to wonder why some companies are so insistent in their hunt for "illegal books." Such a small thing, but yet they, and some people, explode right away like it was some "OMG! ILLEGAL WAREZ!"

But even if you buy them printed, you might not even support the author as much as you support yet another big-fat-greedy company or association like MPAA or RIAA. Out of the 50 bucks, how much would really go to Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, if you remember my example from the previous page?

 

Doubt that, and even if majority did; today's monitors cannot compete with real paper. LCD screen and .PDF format is a nice combo, but the real stuff is always better.

 

"OMG! ILLEGAL WAREZ!"

But guess we have said all that is to be said.

 

Wrong. Making several backups is illegal. Technically, making one backup is illegal under US law. This applies to software, movies, music, and books.

Fine, I fail to see any good morality in robbing someone of their hard work.

Is anyone else getting seriously annoyed at all the corporate bashing?

 

Rastor: I was talking about finnish copyright laws, and yes, making several backups is legal IF you have a justifiable reason to do so.