Questions about a WS/T

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The Item Upgrade Mod fixes this, in both the unmodded +5 version and the upgraded +6 variety.
Also don't discount the relatively minor magic resistance bonuses given by rings (gaxx), amulets (of power, of magic resistance, of seldarine) and robes (of the archmagi) -all those 5, 10 and 15% add up.

 

Wizard Slayers can wear the Amulet of Seldarine. As well as some of the other amulets if I recall. I'm not sure why. They can't use the rings though.

Amulet of power is non-fighter. Though monks can wear it.

 

Stu is right. With the item upgrade mod, Carsomyr adds 50% to your MR, it doesn't make it 50%.

 

Yeah, but that's cheating. I guess a WS dualling to thief at level 13 or 15 is still pretty damn good though!

 

Actually, Carsomyr doesn't really set your MR to 50%, as I've noticed that it adds 50% to your base MR (Hell trial, Lum the mad's machine). It does overrules the MR you get from equipment.

 

Any object or spell that sets something to a static value (like MR) will be overridden by another object or spell that does the same thing. Carsomyr does this with MR, but the WS' natural magic resistance is an increment, so the two should stack together.

 

What's UAI?

 

Use Any Item. it's a thief HLA...or High Level Ability.

 

UAI-Use any Item high level ability for thieves and bards. Allows you to use any item in the game as long as your ability scores can handle it.

My holy avenger does not replace my magic resistance though when I reload a game I then have to unequip and then reequip to get it to work.

Also unless you want the magic failure attack why play a wizard slayer? I mean if all you wanted was Magic resistance then you really should just go for the monk who gets a grand total of 3%x40 levels=120% MR before items and other enhancements. Plus you get all the other monk goodies. so if I was going to play as a WS then it is definitly all about the magic failure.

 

I would like to put my two cents in regarding spell failure. I've played a WS/T through the majority of the game and I can say without any shadow of a doubt that his spell failure applies every time you roll a "hit" on your dice roll. PfMW, immunity to certain weapons, Stoneskin, Mirror Image, whatever -- none of it does a thing against spell failure. There have been so many judgments thrown around in this thread on the matter that your only conclusive test will be to do it yourself. But this is a very easy task.

Start a multi-player game with a sorcerer and a wizard slayer. Give the wizard slayer a +1 sword and have the sorcerer cast PfMW. Let the wizard slayer roll 10 successful hits and try to cast a spell. I guarantee you, it won't work.

Now certain enemies can get around this. As has been said, ForceSpell scripts are cast no matter what, as are sequencers and contingencies. Tactics in particular has many ForceSpell scripts but not so many as to make the wizard slayer weak by any means. I highly suggest you test the matter for yourself and put an end to this debate.

 

I just tried exactly this and the spell failure did not get through. Weapon effects do not work if the target is immune to the attack; it's a core function of the immunity to weapons opcode which shouldn't be possible to change, so I don't know why it's different for you.

 

A monk's MR caps out at 78% in ToB. Still it's pretty easy to get over 100% MR with your monk. I still have one on savegame which has 118% MR. But you're right, the MR is only a bonus, the real good stuff of a WS is his spell failure attack.

 

A Blade with UAI is a much better option IMHO.

 

@ Prine:

I just tried the same thing and got the same results. I was apparently mistaken, but on different grounds: it doesn't work on party members. I CLUA'd my Wizard Slayer to the Docks and attacked Rayic Gethras, who uses PfMW. It went straight through.

 

Okay, so I created a basic humanoid NPC whose sole purpose was to cast PFMW and then spam itself with memorised Larloch's minor drains.

Got my weapon slayer with sword +1 out, gave her a couple of greater whirlwinds and then created the NPC. It cast PFMW and then set about casting crap on itself. Just to make sure everything was working as expected, I slammed the NPC with bare, unenchanted fists four times and sat back. It finished off its memorised minor drains and they all suffered casting failure, to a spell.

Then I ctrl+y'd the NPC, made a new one, equipped the sword +1 and tried again. I used up two whirlwinds and hit the NPC about 20 times. None of its spells were ever interrupted by casting failure.

So this is the way it operates for my game. Perhaps you've got a modified PFMW spell, maybe you were using a nonmagical sword on Gethras, I don't know, but weapon effects do not function if the target is immune to the attack.

 

Does the spell-failure apply to missile weapons? A dart hurling WS would be really nasty if it does...

 

Despite our contradictory information regarding spell failure, I believe Prine would support me in saying that ranged weapons do not work. While darts would be quite nice, it just doesn't work, unfortunately. Whirlwind or Improved Haste solves the problem, however.

 

Yeah, it's only a melee effect, sadly. For some reason I thought it applied to both before I tried it out earlier.

 

Why? Those wizard slayers I fought always used arrows of dispelling on my PC, dispelled his protections and applied the fearsome casting failure. Were they cheating (as expected from tactics mod) or do we have different fixes, or mods, or WS kits? Or what?

 

They were cheating.