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POLL: Would you mind your girlfriend/fiancee/wife being a scantily clad booth babe?

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by chevalier, May 14, 2005.

  1. Cúchulainn Gems: 28/31
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    Not for me Uytuun. I really don't like bleach blondes, or women with any form of un-necessary surgery.

    I like a woman to be a lady, who knows how to dress to impress, without looking slutty, can hold herself well and have lots of confidence.

    Thats why I prefer European women, and Asian to locals.

    Edit: Is it me or do 'women' like Pamela Anderson, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Anna Nicole-Simth and Paris Hilton look very manly and nasty looking?

    [ May 26, 2005, 15:53: Message edited by: Cesard the Fir Bolg ]
     
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    Shrikant Swords! Not words! Veteran

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    You better take that back Cesard. Britney does not rate being mentioned in the same sentence as Pamela Anderson and Anna Nicole-Simth. :p

    At the end of the day, the booth babes are just props. They are there to make sure there is something for the guys to rest their eyes on when not being dazzled by the newest gaming experience (or automative wonder, which is another place where you will find lot of scantily clad babes).
    No one, especially the nerds, are going to loose sleep over these girls when they go back from a convention like E3 2005. Games matter, girls dont. We have the right priorities in life :grin:

    The girls are there to be noticed, not to be attractive. So if some guy wants a pic with a booth babe with his arm around her waist no one really has a problem.
     
  3. chevalier

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    Britney? She's younger than I and looks older than my mother.

    And I would have a problem with posing to those kind of pictures on the part of a non-single woman.

    There's nothing wrong with sitting on a good friend's lap for a photo or even with arms around his neck, for a married lady if the message isn't meant in an ambiguous way and the whole scene keeps some standards of propriety. But there's a problem with someone's girlfriend letting strangers hold her while she's flaunting her charms. It's quite easy to tell a proper touch from an improper one, contrary to what might be supposed.
     
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    My opinion is that any work which requires your partner to express herself sexually to other males sparks jealousy, thus it cannot be good. I'm certain more than one (loud) argument would be taking place before I could come into terms with it, if I'm to be with her longer than necessary. Much easier to move on and take another job -or another partner.
     
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    Sorry Shrikant I stand by what I say :) .

    When it comes to Aishwarya Rai, any of those 'delightful' females that I meantioned above, there is NO competition. She has everything they could ever wish for and more.
     
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    This thread really has taken off (pardon the pun). In response to an earlier question Amaster wrote about professional athletes, I have to say I'm of two minds.

    On the one hand, the primary purpose of most professional athletes is to entertain the audience by a show of physical skill. They are not selling sex or titillation (man I love that word) but rather a performance. I see them in that sense as using their bodies in a method similar to that of a firefighter, soldier or construction worker -- through the application of physical effort they achieve a task that people find valuable and thus they receive money from the people who benefit from that labour. I have no problem with that.

    ON THE OTHER HAND, we pay professional athletes FAR more than we do those other people, and the services they provide are not nearly as important -- I say our western society focuses too much on entertainment and not enough on the things that matter.

    One final thing, I'm going to admit to something here that could get me killed. To my shame, and in direct violation of my own beliefs and moral code (which has led to some serious repentatory activity) I went to a strip club about 2 weeks ago. There, you could enter a sleazy little booth and get a lap dance ($15 a pop, no pun intended). What an absolute bas***d, I know. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do, and makes me a honking hypocrite, I know.

    Why the confession? Well, when this discussion of "booth babe" came up, I was under the impression that that was the booth babe under discussion. I would NOT want my sig. other doing what those girls did, and if my GF were to dump my sorry butt for going there, I wouldn't blame her one bit.

    They say confession is good for the soul. This confession will likely get me a stern lecture from Tal, so apologies in advance.
     
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    Young man, I am disappointed.

    Don't think your gf would dump you, but I guess something like that is really disappointing and makes her wonder what it is she does wrong that makes you feel the need to go to strip clubs.

    But then again you know you're wrong and everyone makes mistakes. Hope you feel better now you got it off your chest.

    Now you've got the nice little dilemma of what to do with it...tell it to your gf, or keep it a secret...best of luck.


    I'm not very good at lecturing and actually I feel more sorry for you than anything else. You sound so embarrased seems like that's "punishment" enough.

    But you were practically begging for a lecture, so... ;)
     
  8. Chandos the Red

    Chandos the Red This Wheel's on Fire

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    Perhaps you did not see the "Janet Jackson super bowl" a year or so ago. These guys are always using "sex" to sell whatever it is they are hawking ATM. Sports is really about money, drugs and sex; probably in that order. "Performance" = ratings, which = $$$$, which = lots of girls and drugs. All this "booth babe business" for a bunch of computer geeks is small stuff compared to what goes on in big league sports. And we have not even touched on the subject of organized crime and gambling....
     
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    Sexual performance is not only performance but also sex, per definition. Things being so, we return to the starting point -- selling sex or titillation.
     
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    I don't see why anyone would go for a 'booth babe', watch porn etc if they are happy with their wives or girlfriends.
     
  11. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    I guess what really matters is why you went. I'm happily married, but less than two weeks from now, I will be going to Atlantic City to attend a bachelor party for one of my friends. I would not be even remotely surprised if some of the activities for the evening include going to a strip club. My wife knows this, and has no problem with it. I can't speak for strip clubs everywhere, but from my personal experience, there is nothing going on a strip club that would cause you to be unfaithful to your wife. Simply put, those girls are there to work, not to pick up a man. I'm sure that there are instances when a strip club turns into prostitution, but for the general customer, it's not like that.
     
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    With some extrapolation, using the same way of reasoning, a woman could tolerate going to prostitutes because prostitutes are there for work and not to pick up a man and there are wives who do. Stripper or prostitute is not a job like librarian, bus driver, teacher, salesman. It's always sex for money, whether it relies on direct sexual cooperation (prostitution) or offering the stimulus needed for autoretic pleasure coming from entertaining sexual fantasies.

    There is a common view that unfaithfulness starts with physical intimacy. That's not true. Rape is not unfaithfulness and it is physical. Cyber sex is even less physical than a strip joint visit and yet it's normally considered cheating. Unfaithfulness is in obtaining sexual pleasure from someone else than the spouse or from giving such pleasure to someone else than the spouse.

    Therefore, if a woman willingly offers sexual stimulation to men other than her man, leading them to erection and possibly self-induced ejaculation (orgasm), or when a man leads a woman other than his woman to orgasm without even touching her, the situation is not much different from achieving the same by means of intercourse. Consequently, it must be unfaithful.

    If two married or otherwise non-single parties engage in behaviour which for one of them is cheating, it's hard to imagine it not being cheating for the other party unless the two interpret the activity differently.

    Therefore, if you go there because you have to and you don't intend to pursue sexual fantasies looking on the women doing their worst, maybe you could avoid cheating. But if one of the other guys intentiously looks on the strippers, lusts for them and willingly entertains the sexual thoughts which come to his mind, he has already betrayed his wife. Even if he dismisses the thoughts, the fact remains that those thoughts are a natural results of looking on strippers in action and he willingly undertook the action (looking on strippers) naturally leading to said sexual thoughts. Consequently, he's still at fault before his wife for exposing himself to temptations of mental adultery.
     
  13. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Chev,

    I must say that while I do not always agree with your positions, your arguements are always well-worded and well thought out.

    I guess the reason that my wife is not concerned is that I'm not going there to get off on the strippers. I'm also not going there to get a lap dance, or fantasize about some stipper rubbing her naked backside against my crotch. Such actions definitely do cross the line. That having been said, it's not like I'm going to keep my eyes closed the entire time that we are there - I'm going to watch.

    I am also under the assumption that you have never been to a strip club. Believe it or not, I and many of my friends do find strippers attractive, but not particularly sexually arousing. The reason for this is that we know that the only reason they are acting the way they are is for the money. We know that they really aren't interested in us, and are really only interested in the dollar bill that they may get from us. That is definitely NOT sexually arousing. I will say with 99% confidence that I won't even get an erection looking at the strippers. To me, they are nothing more than part of the scenery - eye candy at best.

    Keep in mind that I am of the opinion that I would never seriously date a stripper, and would never get engaged or marry one. Yes, I do understand that I am living a double standard in going to a strip club even though I don't approve of the activities there, but I think one's wife/girlfriend/fiancee should be held to a higher standard than some bimbo taking her clothes off for money.
     
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    It's always that 1% you have to worry about.
     
  15. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Point taken Chandros. Also, there is something that I think I should add - even if that 1% does come into play, I will not consider that I have "cheated" on my wife.
     
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    I personally don't think that going to a strip club is cheating. I put in the same basket as ogling the latest sexy actress on a movie poster. But I guess it doesn't really matter what WE think is cheating. If SHE thinks it's cheating then you shouldn't do it.
     
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    That's an excellent point, Harbourboy -- you both should be on the same page on that sort of thing. If she has rules that you don't like / can't agree with, then maybe you shouldn't be with her, as if you just do what you like, she'll be unhappy all the time and that's not good for a relationship. The converse is also true.
     
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    Bingo - give HB the prize. If the two people can agree as to what is and is not cheating and they stay with that agreement, it really doesn't matter what some person outside the relationship thinks. If the wife thinks that going to a strip club is cheating, for that couple it is.

    OTOH, if the parties agree that, once a month, they can go out and do whatever with whoever (using protection of course), then guess what: It's not cheating if they do it that one time a month. For them. (Not you Chev, we know.)

    The problems arise when the spouses are not in agreement as to what is acceptable. In that circumstance, it's my opinion that the view of the spouse that thinks something is cheating should govern over the view of the spouse who thinks it's all great and in good fun.
     
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    Cheating implies doing somethingt the other doesn't know of or thinks to be something different from what it is, right. Perhaps adultery then? Marriage isn't some contractus innominatus under the freedom to contract. :p
     
  20. dmc

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    Under your definition, true. Under most people's definitions, true. Under all people's definitions, not true. There are people who are quite happy living in a relationship which, for want of a better term, is called "open." There is nothing illegal about it and they do not share your morality. For them, it's all about freedom to contract. They like being married, but don't have sexual hang-ups or jealousies. Takes a strange type, IMO, but they exist and are happily living in our society (yup, even yours Chev).
     
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