POLL: What alignment are YOU?

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Me? Neutral evil. I was thinking of Lawful Evil, but then I thought that nah, not really... Or I don't really know. I am either Neutral Evil or Lawful Evil. (Although I AM insane, so that could make me chaotic evil.... )

Yep, I am evil.

 

How come people have said they are LE here - but not put it on the poll?

 

After a lot of thinking I would have to go with Lawful good. I was going to say Chaotic good because I'm always opposing stupid rules, but then I belive that there should always be a stronge'y enforced set of rules inplace, even if I might diagree. This does make me Lawful doesn't it?

 

Chaotic neutral I guess, I tend to take big decisions by flipping a (mental) coin.

 

Neutral Good.

 

Neutral Evil IMO has the basic idea of "look after number one (yourself)". Extend this to looking after yourself and those who are close to you (close friends/family etc) and you get a real worl working Neutral Evil alignment. The majority of people are doing whatever they do for themselves. Generally people's actions do have an, often hidden but nevertheless present, ulterior motive which, in some way, is a benefit to themselves. Good deeds without motives are so rare, it's sad but it's are 'modern world'.

I would consider myself to be Neutral Evil (in the way i described above, incorporating myself and a few close people in my "look out for-ness" ).

 

Somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic good i reckon. If its an important decision probably more towards good but most decisions i dont really care about so choose pretty much at random - when im not being so lazy that I can't even be bothered to make a decision that is.

 

You are trecking on a dusty street of Shongonoon in western Yex. Its a tad relaxed at noon. You just arrived with the local overcrowded bus and have no idea of the laws in this country. To your surprise the first thing you witness is a little midget stealing from a blind begger on the street, while the begger himself has turned his back on his moneypouch cause he is hitting a girl for no apparent reason. Two police officers, who share a cradle of beers on the other side of the dusty road, are obviously very intoxicated and probably unable to accomplish anything. Even so they don't seem to have noticed the scene. The local police station is just up the street, 20 seconds away. Max. What do you do?

NOTE:These are the most basic choices of which more complicated patterns inevitably will arise in real life. Adding on to them is futile and serves no purpose.

Situation A
You seek out the cops and try to get them to pay for your own six-pack of beers, else you'll report them in to the local authories Azap. As a matter of fact you still intend to do so nomatter what they pay you, hoping for some goodwill of the authorites for later abuse. The situation at hand has no immediate relevance to you. Neither the girl getting beaten or the midget who stole the beggers money. You try to remember all the faces, since later it might gain you some advantage or edge. This is how the world works you nod to yourself.

Situation B
There are too many imputs to handle here. One thing of notice is that life it seems will not be heavily affected by any of the apparent crimes beeing committed. Perhaps I should have asked the officers to intervene, you ponder as you shrug your shoulders and enter the nearest bar for a qiuck refreshment. Naah, this was for the better.

Situation C
You immediate feel agrivated by the lack of action and integrity by the police officers. You briefly notice wether or not the girl is beeing punished severly. It doesn't seem so. There is no time to spare, you march up to the police station and demand that the officers be relief of duty or and properly corrected. No wonder this happens , you think while fuming over the lax employees. You walk out onto the road and sends annoyed glances the officers' way again. You've done your duty.

Situation D
You Rush up to midget, who doesn't seem to run very fast and grab him by the neck. You drag him back to the Begger and force him to drop the money. You let him run, cause you feel an urge to beat a little on the begger to teach him a lesson about hitting kids. After beating the blind beggar to what you feel is fair, you explain to him in your best yex-ican, that you'll give the money to the girl as some sort of recovery money for her bruises. You do so, and follow the girl to the neares bar for a quick Whiskey shot or two. That's what you need kiddo, you keep telling her as she squickes them down. Only at night when you fall alseep you remember there were officers there. "Oh" you mutter in the dark and smile, "what good were they anyway".

Situation E
You run up to the Officers, grab their beers and empties all of them, half ends in your mouth half all over your clothes. HAHA you laugh as you grap both their official hats and put them akwardly over your head. The officers are startled but drops on a porch to follow your next action. Cause you are already all over a woman arresting her for inactiveness to the situation at hand. You don't seem to finish harrashing her as you run and tackle the midget roughly to the ground. "Touch down!" you yell as you tumble around with the midget in the dust. You retrieve the money to the beggar. "I believe these are yours", you scream to him. "I am blind not deaf, druk bastard" he yells back at you in yex-ican. You look puzzled at him. "What you say." "Oh sorry sir." "Couldn't help it." you turn your attention to the police officers. "I'll be damned." You drag them back to the station, while lecutirng them shortly. "There'll be hell to pay for you two." You grap their guns and run off wooohoooing in the streets, there might be a good bank to rob around here. And lots of women.

Situation F
You alert the officers and tell them to at least find some backup to catch the midget or get their asses on the move. seeing it is hopeless you run and catch the midget. You manage to get all three involved persons together and hope to settle the dispute on your own. No need to report any of this if proper justice can be applied. Else you'll bring all three to the station if that is needed to solve this hassle.

Situation G
You Put your hands together and smiles widely. "Where to start first." You walk over to the officers and put a quick fist to one's nose, turn and kick the other in the head. Guns. Lots of guns. You walk over and excecute both the girl and the beggar for desturbing your peace. Time is of the essence. You sprint to the nearest bank to get some quick cash. There are plenty of thugs and scumbags to be hired in the local bars, you quickly plot. Expendables. Before the police gets to act... Yes... yes. "I am a riot and you are the fuel, baby" you say as you force a pretty young woman along.

Situation H
Oh my dear what is this. You shake the officers in vain for a few seconds. Oh my. You run to get the beggar and girl apart. By no means or any reason can you find it tolerable to hit a girl. You walk her hand in hand to the police station just down the street, and explains the situation. Reluctantly a few officers take action. You file in a report on the drunk officers while trying to make sure the authorities understand that a midget stole from the beggar too. The whole processes is slowed by the lazy employees, but you still manage to get them somewhat informed. That sure was needed you say as you take the girl home to her mother for restitution.

Situation I
You evalute the officers awareness, and runs to empty the last of the beggars money pouch. You then catch up with the midget and propose a cooporation with him for more gain. This city is sure a goldmine and you are my little miner you smile at him in english. Unaffected by not understanding you, he laughs revealing his three leftover teeth. "Now come along little fellow we got a lot of work to do", you say in yex-ican. You wander over to a bar with the midget in your tail. "There you see that bottle of Jack D on the other table?" We want that, don't we?, you look sternly at the midget. I could become a regular you say as you swing your legs up on the table and observe him snatch the bottle. "Yes indeed this is my kinda place."


The real question is of course, can anyone put the proper allignments onto all of these situations. I've put at least two or three strong indicators in each situations according to the D&D belief of the concepts GOOD&EVIL and LAW&CHAOS. If we don't at least use a mutual basic set of alignment-evaluating, then this whole thread is obsolete or at least it doesn't have any scientific value. Now go have fun and make me proud, and happy too of course. Get 9 out of 9

[ June 01, 2003, 13:04: Message edited by: Nobleman ]

 

*sigh*

Just so people know what alignment really is, I'll post the stuff from the SRD:

Selfishness does not always equate to Evil (it really depends on how far you go with it).

The idea with good and evil is really a) life and b) helping.

THe idea with law and chaos (and this contradicts the SRD a bit) is that you are following a law strictly (or multiple laws, for that matter), or you are not following them strictly. Or just not following them.

Have I also mentioned that it doesn't really work out too well in real life? I think I did.

[/rant][/bitterness]

 

For those who need the information, check this url:
http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html

There, fourth from the top, you'll see alignment. All the other gibberish of the newest D&D rules are there to be read as well.

You BG:ers wouldn't believe how handy and powerful spells you can get already at level 1 or even 0, only they don't put them into the games for obvious reasons (limited by game engine).

Nobleman, a good idea. But I don't doubt that that takes time. So if I feel I have the time, I'll get back to your post by tonight (when everyone else have already answered the question no doubt).

 

In Nobleman's example I am pretty sure that I would pursue option H. I would feel obliged to do something, if there had not been any police around (however incompetent) I would probably have tried to stop the beating on my own but as they were there I think it would be better to stop it with some official authority. As for the midget I could not care less about it. Beating a poor girl upsets me but petty theft is not something I get riled up against.

 

Well, none of Nobleman's nine options.

Priority #1: The girl being beaten. I'm a paladin for some reason, you know. Protecting the weak from unjust treatment is more important than delivering justice to petty thieves or petty thieves to justice, whichever you prefer.

Priority #2: I could probably order someone to chase the pickpocket while checking if everything is OK with the girl.

Priority #3: The cops are totally unable to perform their duty, so there's no time to bother resuscitating them or running to the police station.

Priority #4: And yes, I'll visit the police station. To report the irresponsible drunks for dereliction of duty, to report the beggar for abusing children, to hand the thief over if I catch him or have him caught or to have the cops find him if he has managed to escape (it's their job to spot thieves, not mine, anyway). In this order.

 

I think I'll put this is a seperate post.

Howdy folks. A lot of important stuff. First, any character with any alignment could act in this episode in a multitude of ways. I am by no means "right" about what for instance a Lawfull good person does. I am sure all of us can agree that there aren't just 9 strict different types of people in this world. In a way, finding and discarding some parts in several of the listed situations above, might just be the proof we need to show you are human (Like Joacqin). So you can put the pieces together and see what twilight alignment you sway towards. I have only given examples to what you could do following a single alignment. Not what you should do. So you can do what Chevalier does in a splendid way. Put your own scene together and make your own personal references to the list above. Good thinking. And I have changed the Situation H a little, towards the obvious for its alignment. And what's more important, away from a certain other alignment.

And Oaz buddy, Don't be bitter, have you any idea of how many times and in how many threads over the past 2 years, we have tried to explain the D&D concept. Getting emotional won't save the princess. I hope from my situations above, that we'll see some of the people who claim they are evil accept they are not, and can still be cool with themselves. It is not the end of the world to get rid of that evil fetish. yes some. not all. I accept that there are evil people in this world. Lots of them, and some might venture through a forum board of course.

Note;
Most of us are selfish to some degree, but most of us aren't evil to some degree. That is absurd. OF course you might be either good or evil and sway towards Neutral. If you sway all the way through you are a pretty much a lunatic. Some evil might for some reason have taints of good, and Vice Versa, but those fragmental feelings are just lone ships in the ocean of your mind. This is what Oaz is trying to tell you guys and women. Listen to him.

[ June 01, 2003, 13:10: Message edited by: Nobleman ]

 

I'd probably do roughtly (sp?) the same thing as chevalier, I would say. Apart from when/if the theif was caught the money would go straight to the little girl been beaten up.

 

The racket caused by the beggar beating the girl would be extremely aggravating to me, so I would simply ramble over and kill him.

If the drunk policemen happen to take offense, I would kill them too. And set fire to the establishment they frequented. The girl would be of no consequence unless she pissed me off, in which case it will be death for her as well.

I could not be bothered with the midget unless I could somehow get hold of his money. Of course, that was only my ideal way of dealing with this situation.

1)To stay within social boundaries, I would ambush the midget first, slit his throat and leave his body where it could not be found.

2)Garrote the beggar later in a dark and deserted alley for my irritation.

What alignment does that make me? And yes, I do have a desire to murder somebody. I plan to commit murder at least once in my life, just to know how it feels like.

 

Shura, committing murder just because you want to know what it's like? *hugs Shura* Me, too...

What I would do?

I'd probably walk straight past the scene, not MY problem... the midget didn't steal from me, I don't know the girl and the police officers are just affirming my belief in the ineffectiviness of their ilk.

If I did....

1. Go kick the beggar a few times, because I don't like what he's doing, and make him beg for the girl's forgiviness. Then, break his arms so he won't be doing it again.

2. If possible, trip the midget, get the money, and decide what to do depending on the amopunt. probably give some of it to the girl.

3. Go make fun of the policemen. They're too intoxicated to care. Probably steal their wallets and guns in the process... just because.

4. Go to the police station to report the drunkards, just because I want to get them into trouble. All cops are losers anyway.

Well.. I think that is what I'd do.

 

I'd probably kick the beggar right into next week, give his money to the girl and drag the midget, the beggar and the dumb cops into the bloody police station and demand a reward, because i gave a ****, unlike some other people.

I consider myself Chaotic Neutral anyways.

Screw the law.

 

What a man (or woman, or child) would do is entirely different from what he or she will do in the appropriate situation.

What you would do does not affect alignment. What you do and what you will do affect and will affect it, respectively.

Nobleman: hopefully this post is actually a step toward saving the damsel from distress.

 

I agree with Oaz on that actions determine alignment more than words. However, if we have 60% good 60% lawful character, he's normally LG, but if he were preaching about balance I would make him NN after a few sermons.

If one believes in evil, he's not really likely to be good even if he's not remotely close to evil alignment in his actions. Well, it's still possible that he in fact is some kind of good, lawful good included, but such a character isn't really going to be a good god's cleric, not to even speak of paladin.

Sometimes it's also hard to determine the alignment basing solely on actions - even if we take motives into consideration. The holy goody goody guy obsessed with freeing slaves can be a paladin as well as holy liberator.

 

What about an alignment for one with no reality and single path to follow?