Mushrooms Growing On North Korea

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for some reason, i dont think that is going to prevent anyone from using nukes.

as ive said before, the US has the most terrifying weapons in the world, and have shown their willingness to use them in war.

 

I dare say the US isn't willing to use them. They're the ultimate 'last-resort'. The only time anyone in the US would use them willingly would be if humanity was threatened by something that nukes could be used against... a comet or whatever, sci-fi goons will go crazy over the things they could be used against but obviously the probability of such a thing happening is minute, yet not impossible.

As for the US being willing to use nukes? Once maybe, but I don't think they will be ever again.

 

If we (the US) were willing to just use nukes Russia wound have gone up in '56 and Iran now. Someone for sure would think -if NK wants nukes, lets give them one of our best and bigest. We scared ourselves when we saw what they did. We have had them for about 60 years and never, no matter what came up used them again. We had until the 50's when we were the ONLY country with them and still never repeted that horror. How many other countries would show that restraint?

 

I heard on the radio this morning that there are some indications that it was a failure - i.e the bomb didn't go into "nuclear" mode, just a straight forward explosion. Can't find anything online at the moment though.

 

Testing nuclear bombs is kinda wierd "Oh, THAT would have been a good one"

 

Article VI of the NPT states that countries should be disarming "under strict and effective international control." US still has 9,960 (5,735 active) Warheads, with Russia at 16,000 (5,830 active).

I agree with Argohir's statment. No one at all should posses such weapons - there is simply no point. But as long as a small group of countries (US, UK, Russia, France and China - including those who have not signed the NPT - Israel, India and Pakistan) are allowed to have such weapons, North Korea also should have such rights.

 

As long as you are in the US nuclear club, the NPT need not apply.

Is they why Bush has threatened to use 'bunker busters' in Iran? If torture is okay by him, why would nuclear weapons be a concern? He has already proven many times how little he cares for non-US civillians.

[ October 10, 2006, 15:51: Message edited by: Cúchulainn ]

 

I just can't look at that guy and not chuckle... 'Oh, hewwo!'

 

and the US would have followed if they attempted to nuke russia

 

not relevant, but infact The US is the only country ever to have used nukes after an attack, they did it twice.

 

Yes, but our nukes are democratic nukes; likewise, our radioactive fallout is, well, freedom fallout.

 

Why does USA need 10,000 nuclear warheads? Surely once you get past about 5, it doesn't make any difference any more.

 

Freedom at last.


I believe, that like everyone who owns Nuclear Weapons NK will only use it as an intimidation/bargain tool. That doesn’t mean that they would never use it, but that they are as likely as using it as anyone else is. I believe that any country would use it if they feel they are in verge of destruction or other similar fate.

IMO, those weapons are a rather simple defensive strategy, and the bad thing is that it’ll work, thus making other countries prone to do the same.

 

Well, if you look how many cities there are on this planet, Harbourboy. Just think, each one of them could be harbouring terrorists and WoMD. I think it's best that they are prepared for all occasions.

I don't like all this talk on placing further sanctions on North Korea. What can possibly be achieved by them? Sure, prehaps there are some small immediate gains, but in the long run surely nothing useful will be achieved.

 

Don't forget the depleted uranium shells used by the USA either.

 

and the US would have followed if they attempted to nuke russia

Thats why I said 56'. Russia had no nukes before that if i remember right. When they announced the did (with the fist shaking) and Russias leaders famous "WE WILL BURY YOU" it was the US that shook its head and did not react to the provication. As far as the current wars are concerned don't fly planes into our buildings, yes we did strike blind and sorry about that. Japan found out we don't like supprises too. The US has spent Billions in world aid, helped rebuild nations after WWII, sent food, medics and lifegiving drugs to many nations. We never had a Stallin, Hitler, Pol Pot, or purges that killed millions. This country has a problem with people killing our citizens though and I admit it sends us overboard. I am one of our citizens who think we need to leave every country who doesn't want us there. I think the factions in each country should be free to kill each other off if they want to. This country is so bad that Canada has a 3300 hundred mi border that is undefended. Unfortunatly we just might fence the southern border with Mexico because we have about 12 million Spanish americans (just meaning from the americas, not a cut) who for some reason want to live in this rotten place. By the way, we did use conventional weapon "bunker busters" left over from Nam. I noticed that some of the most serious cuts are comming from an area "UK". Heck if that includes England itself You invaded US and burned part of the White House before the fire was put out! Forgive my rant, does anyone come fron a country that has never screwed up? Or one that has spent more on aid in the last 100 years? Flame away!
Sorry, had to add this ps, most of our nukes are 40+ years old and out of date but what the he!! do you do with them? Donate them to Iran?

 

Prehaps my longterm/shortterm comment wasn't the best.

Surely these sanctions are exactly what has forced North Korea into this position? Here we have a country, almost completely issolated from the rest of the world. They're carrying out secret weapon construction and god knows what else. If you put sanctions on, sure, give it a while and it might lead to the fall of their government. But what you are doing is further isolating this playground bully. They're bound to leap out from their corner, if isolated much further. A cornered animal is much more likely to resort to despreate measures than one who has a path of escape.

So what is the best method? I really don't know. Ideally, I guess you would want to try and feed aid into the region, in attempts to educate their people and raise the living standards. An educated population are a much bigger threat to an oppresive government than a nuclear weapon is. But then given the strong hold Kim has over his people, the actions may prove a lot more difficult than words.