just can't do evil

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@Neeraj:
According to the ever-useful Shadow Keeper, a good alignment warrior can also wield Blackrazor.
But as for me, I'm going to choose some evil choices for the trial in hell. So I will be evil anyway.

 

I WANT to play evil. But for some reason, I end up being goody for some reason... :/

I DO try to justify my deeds in a RP sense... hey, if I have a good rep from letting some sniveling weaklings get out of my way every now and then and the like, it's just bonus. People who trust you are SO much easier to double-cross.

 

I sometimes (in a moment of weakness) try to play good, But for some reason, I always end up being just as evil as I usually am.

I finished the game playing good several times but I enjoyed playing evil a lot more

And I can definitely recommend Blackrazor. Always looks nice when wielding Blackrazor in one hand, and a nice dagger in the other.

 

If you want to use Blackrazor and be good, play a thief. The "Use Anything" ability really saves the class.

 

i've tried to play evil, but it made me rather sick........cant stand edwin or korgan......

i like the "help the bhaalspawn is going to eat me" thing though, which is rather hilarious.

but as said, i just can't play evil....not my style.

“Opportunistic relationships can hardly be kept constant. The acquaintance of honorable people, even at a distance, does not add flowers in times of warmth and does not change its leaves in times of cold: it continues unfading through the four seasons, becomes increasingly stable as it passes through ease and danger.”

 

If anybody doesn't understand what is meant by this, there is an exploit whereby you can pickpocket the required tear from the chained genie rather than giving it the sword. If you apply the Baldurdash fixpack, this exploit is removed.

Also, Use Any Item is not required to use Blackrazor - it has no class or alignment restrictions beyond those standard for a longsword.

 

I see a lot of people simply do not understand what it is to be evil beyond biting the heads off of kittens.

True evil is so much more subtle.

*Rubs hands in glee at the sight of so many gullible fools.*

While the Paladin is smiting orcs and the LG Cleric is Flamestriking the Necromancer, the Blackguard takes over the throne through legitimate, lawful (though harsh) means and wins the love and adoration of his citizens. Hence, the Paladin and the LG cleric can't depose of him w/o losing their powers.

Good may seem to win all the time, but in reality (D&D wise) they rarely do.

Does no one else know how to play Evil without killing random children and wiping out peasants just for kicks? There are evil ways for almost every quest. Evil is not monolithic so you're perfectly justified in fighting the likes of Firkraag, The mindflayers, Beholders and, Irenicus and his gang.

My party did not kill a single peasant until the first trial in TOB but I still attained a reputation of 2 by doing every quest the 'evil'and more subtle way, which is often so much more ingenious and fulfilling.

Granted, Korgan might be an archetype of the Chaotic Stupid baby eater, but Viconia and Edwin are simply perfect for the truly vile villian. Sarevok was a Dark lord himself. You don't see him running around setting fire to kittens and snatching lollipops out of children's hands!

Evil is not so one dimensional. In fact, it provides much more roleplaying depth than "OMG I Smitez0r teh Orcs!!11! W00t! I r the l337!!!11" Lawful Good or "Robin Hood" Chaotic Good or "Mother Teresa" Neutral Good. Shallowness? Good-lovers, shall I say meet Mr. Kettle and checking your name tag to see that it does indeed say "Mr Pot"?

 

Please enlighten us, Shura, as to how you obtain 2 REP without gratuitous peasant killing and slayer changes. It strikes me that there are many ways for your reputation to go up and only a few for your reputation to go down. I find it hard enough to keep reputation below 19 when playing a neutral party so I would be greatly interested to know how you keep it so low.

BTW,

Please transl8.

 

For the Firkraag quest, be more concerned with clearing your name then saving the man's daughter. Then, make a deal with Firkraag and kill the man.

For the DeArnise Stronghold, kill Nalia's aunt. Make sure she isn't present or you won't get your reward.

For the kidnappers, collect the ransom.

I used the Slayer Change once (in the entire game) in the Illithid lair because I could not be bothered to dominate and drag an ilithid all the way to the final door.

Viconia reduces your Rep by 2.

Poison the Druid Grove. You'll have to kill Cernd, though.

Threaten the Deep Gnomes in the Underdark. IIRC, you'll get a rep loss.

There are still many other ways, most of which I cannot remember.

A misfired fireball during the battle in the Thieves guild toasted the hapless prisoner.

Alternatively, if you don't kill him, you can just tell him that you're leaving him to rot for a rep loss.

Since an evil character starts with a Rep of 8 or 9 anyway, it is not difficult to get a rep of 2.

To me, the shining plate-armor types seem so juvenile and shallow.

 

*applauds Shura*

I didn't raelise so many people played evil by killing everybody - that isn't really evil, it's pointless. Killing people in the streets with guards and that pose no threat and may be of use in a later time simply isn't practical.

Out of my two evil ones, the LE is more evil than the CE

 

Here's my two cents. I think most people don't play evil as often as good, because the replayability of an evil party is reduced. There aren't that many NPC's that fit into an evil party. What do you have? Viconia, Korgan, and Edwin, and then later Sarevok in ToB. Before that, you have the likes of Haer-Dalis and Jan to fill out the party. A lot of the neutral characters like Cernd and Jaheira are unaccessible if you have a low reputation. However, playing good - in which case all neutral PC's happily come along, gives you much more viability in terms of party creation and different combinations.

Finally, don't give me all this crap about feeling bad when you do evil things in the game. The only reason you really feel bad is you're missing out on the 50% discount from merchants for having a high rep - nothing more. Finally, the game is designed to go through with a good party. Between rewards, reputation bonuses, etc., it is much easier to play the game as good than evil. I agree with Shura - if you have never tried evil, you're a bunch of softies.

 

It's called a conscience Aldeth, a conscience. Regarless of whether your actions have an effect upon the outside world, they have an effect within you. It may take willpower to over-come your conscience, but why would you? It also takes willpower to refuse to do things you may enjoy because you think they are wrong. In the end it is the way you feel about your own life, in your own world, not that of the computer game.

 

I'm yet another stricken by conscience, no matter how hard I tried, I simply could not follow the evil path on anything and enjoy it. The couple of times I HAD to do something evil, it just felt wrong. Somehow though, I managed to keep Viconia in the party and happy most of the time and even kept Edwin (until Minsc gutted him) and Korgan for a while.

 

About the Blackrazor issue, I prefer a warrior class to maximise it's power. So I choose Kensai.
Back to current issue:
I do not know how to put it, but maybe it's conscience like Manus said. I prefer to be good, and I did not really mind about the reputation, so long as I am not chased by the paladins or mages(By using to cheesy method of stealing and selling back to the black market thief, I will have the wealth of a king anyway). In short, When I want to be evil, I try my best to direct my evil against evil.

[ November 05, 2003, 03:42: Message edited by: Skywind ]

 

Heh. In the words of Aldazar: Softies.

No wonder evil always wins because good is dumb.

 

Ahhh, but if I am correct, and Evil is merely a tool for Good, then not only are you too, a do-gooder, but one ignorant of their own actions, and also doomed to loose at that!

Poor Shura, the only one he does evil against is himself.

 

@Manus:
I believe it depends on the situation. Shura would surely be a nightmare to us if he is the child of Bhaal. We are lucky that Taluntain rules here or we will be the ones who are poor.

Hope no one is taking my word for serious.

 

Evil doesn't always win!

David Robinson (now retired) was the epitome of good role models in professional sports, and he just had a storybook ending to his career back in June, when they smashed the (so-called) indestructible Lakers in May (28 blowout in game 6! I still relish it!) and then proceeded to nullify the versatile offense of the Mavs, and then beat the defense of Jersey on way to sending Robinson into retirement with a championship!

He isn't weak at all! So many time you could see him ready to throw his huge arms and knock somone out, but he used his strength to bite his lip and just play!

Anyone can retaliate and knock the oppenent out who is getting under your skin, but David chose to bite his lip (which takes great restraint, and you can't be weak for restraint to win vs. urges.

And it must have been his conscience assisting his restraint over urges.

So therefore, people who choose to listen to conscience instead of their (evil) urges can hardly be considered weak

Side note: David Robinson oughta be an NPC! 7"1, 235 lbs, rock solid-toned muscle, agility that matches up with little guys, snap! Dexterity, Strength, Intelligence, Wisdom, Constitution, good-aligned, what more can you ask for?

 

Well, we know he possesses Charisma from your description Neeraj. This David Robinson could quite possibly be perfect.

 

Hmm, a trifle arrogant, perhaps. BG2 is a fantasy roleplaying game and I do not fantasize about committing evil deeds. I could care less about the hero's reduction in stores - the game gives you more gold than you need. I don't want a 20 reputation for that matter, either, but it's sometimes difficult to avoid.