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Homosexuality and Religion

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Beren, Oct 1, 2006.

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  1. Iku-Turso Gems: 26/31
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    :lol:

    Hm, yes. I sometimes even surprise myself with these kinds of profound statements. :lol: But it's still true...
     
  2. Barmy Army

    Barmy Army Simple mind, simple pleasures... Adored Veteran

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    BTA - So I could be racist, homophobic, sexist and anything else I wish to be, providing I don't attack or insult anyone in particular? After all, I'd only be 'explaining what I believe and why'. Fair enough, freedom of speech and all that but surely it only goes so far...
     
  3. Blackthorne TA

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    Why should I or anyone else tell you what you can say or believe? It's no skin off my nose if you are a racist or a homophobe or a sexist or a secularist. I'll likely never meet you, so why would I care?

    I may argue about your reasons for your beliefs if I think they're erroneous, but ultimately who am I to say what you should believe. I'm just here to enforce the peace on the boards, and prevent anything obviously illegal.
     
  4. Gnarfflinger

    Gnarfflinger Wiseguy in Training

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    Exactly a number of the lies that Satan uses to get us to indulge. Images of frolicing and sex entice some, others pushed to give in to the temptation and believe that they have no choice in the matter. They also learn to hate themselves because Satan is too busy laughing at them to keep them trapped in his lies.

    Yeah, but what if they were right at 20? At 50, they will only have a better understanding of how right they were at age 20...

    Who says this change is a good thing? What about those of us that are offended at the mere suggestion that such changes would be required...

    But it IS possible, but limbs are not the price to pay, only faith in Jesus Christ and a sincere desire to change.

    Satan wants to make us just as miserable as he is, and he does this by trying to make us break God's laws.

    Once again, for the benefit of those of you who only look for the things that amuse them in my posts: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT RAPE. What about mutually consenting relationships, which you keep telling me are none of anyone else's business...

    You're right, it's not. I never said it would be easy, only that it was possible...
     
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    Gnarff, that is quite possibly the weakest argument I've seen you post yet. You're actually twisting everything around to make it fit your arguments.
    No, that's just called denial. Or Disillusion, whichever you prefer :lol:
     
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    Gay people don't WANT to change. They are happy as they are and more power to them, I say. They met someone, they fell in love, just like any other happy couple. Seriously, you need to get out an meet people, meet gay people, see how they are and how normal they are. How many homosexuals do you actually know? They're not 'miserable'. In fact, in my experience, straight people are more miserable than homosexuals!

    You said you are not talking about rape. WE KNOW! You compare homosexuals to paedophiles? How can an underage child give their consent to sex? They are too young to make a decision like that and know what they are doing. You are comparing happy, consensual relationships to sick perverted individuals preying on vulnerable young children. It's sick man! Take a look at what you're actually suggesting.

    What's the bigger tradegy in your eyes: A person openly admitting to being gay and not giving a damn what small-minded individuals think to it? Or, the gay person who tried to trap himself in a 'normal' heterosexual relationship, just to fit in so he/she wouldn't have to put up with predujice?

    BTA - But homophobia is illegal, is it not? As is racism. Well, I thought it was anyway, I might be wrong...
     
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    :lol: It's taken you 18 pages to figure THAT out?! :lol:
     
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    Susipaisti Maybe if I just sleep... Veteran

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    Mutual informed consent = okay. Otherwise, not okay. "Informed" is an important word there. What more is there to it?
     
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    Saying that Satan influences people to be homosexual is just silly - why didn't he make evil people like Hitler, Bush and Richard Gere gay?

    Maybe I should take 2 hour lunch and claim I was 'influenced' by auld Satan.

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5003/5003_01.asp

    [ November 16, 2006, 13:52: Message edited by: Cúchulainn ]
     
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    What the hell does that even mean? How does Richard Gere get lumped in with Bush and Hitler? C'mon - The Jackal wasn't THAT bad.

    :confused:

    edit - sidenote: I don't need to mention how lame it is comparing Bush to Hitler (Godwin's Law violator, tsk :nono: ) but that's another topic...

    EDIT (below) - Gotcha. :)

    [ November 16, 2006, 14:42: Message edited by: Death Rabbit ]
     
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    I was trying to be funny, thats why you see Bush, Hitler and Gere.

    Edit :thumb:
     
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    Not as far as I know. If you assault someone because of your homophobia or racism, then that is illegal. In the US, firing or refusing to hire someone because or race, sexual orientation or religion is illegal, but holding such prejudices is not. Actions, not beliefs are typically illegal, though holocaust denial etc. in certain places are illegal.
     
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    @BTA,

    Actually, I think that it depends on the state that you live in. Here in Maryland, if you can prove that a violent crime was committed due to prejudice (and this includes both race and sexual orientation) you can get an additional charge of "hate crime" slapped on you, which can result in a sentence extension of up to 5 years. So while it isn't illegal to be homophobic or racist, committing a crime because of this can result in a stiffer sentence.
     
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    Certainly, but that's basically what I was trying to say. Thoughts and beliefs are not generally against the law, actions based on them can be.
     
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    Well, no but I thought that kind of took the biscuit :D
     
  16. Gnarfflinger

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    How about that age between the onset of puberty (where they understand what they are consenting to) and the official age of consent. Like the 12 year old boy that has sex with his teacher who's in her 20's, hot and single. He knows about sex, consents to have sex, but is legally too young to consent. That's what I'm talking about. There will be people that will argue that that shouldn't be illegal because nobody gets hurt...

    The unrepentant sinner who pridefully condemns all that tell them that they are wrong. Remember that I do believe that God is real, and that His laws are binding. It's just centuries of those without proper authority that messed it up to the point that so many people either don't believe or think it's a bad thing...

    I am referring to mutual informed consent. The underaged person knows what they are doing, but they have yet to reach that "magic age" where they can legally have sex. I believe it was Drew that suggested another word other than pedophile, but I still believe the two to be the same thing.

    While I don't condone homosexuality, I also don't condone assault on those grounds.

    What about a religious position (like a preacher) in a faith that condemns homosexuality? Should they be forced to hire an openly gay minister to preach? Blatant sin hurts the credibility of those that preach against it...
     
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    but that's not pedophilia, it's statutory rape. Pedophilia is only when the child is pre-pubescent.

    Well that's just dandy, but they're not.

    Well, these people don't, and you have no right to tell them how to live, regardless of how "right" you think you are.

    To be honest, I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore. As far as I can tell, it's either "gays can't get married", "homosexuality is roughly equivalent to pedophilia in my mind" or "gays are all going to Hell unless they accept the ONE TRUE GOD JESUS CHRIST AMEN".
     
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    An interesting, yet very long clicky linky

    You have to keep in mind that most of those views are medieval.
     
  19. Barmy Army

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    Ok, I give up here I think.

    "How about that age between the onset of puberty (where they understand what they are consenting to) and the official age of consent. Like the 12 year old boy"

    A 12 year old is far too young, immature and vulnerable to be able to consent to sex and understand the realities of what they are doing, pubescent or not. If you don't understand the difference between that and 2 consenting ADULTS, then I give in.

    I'm still quite surprised that you can't swear or 'name-call' on here (even in jest), but you can share racist or homophobic views in what is a public board :eek: .
     
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    If you're talking about 12-year olds, then no, that's not informed consent. There's no basis to assume that a 12-year old understands the consequences, and their understanding of sex is still very limited.

    And no, it's not pedophilia to be attracted to someone who has already hit puberty. There's something screwy about an adult-teen combo, sure, but it's not pedophilia.

    And, as Drew already asked - twice - where are those lobby groups that are trying to lower the legal age of having sex using the same arguments as the gay rights groups?
     
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