God Hates Gays...

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Or, to state it another way, non-marital heterosexual sex is one sin. Homosexual sex is the same sin but with the added sin that it is perverting the sex act.

Well said, Chevalier. Are you sure your native language is not English?

 

AFI: I believe that the reason that some Christian groups place Homosexuality among the worst of the sins would be because it's easier to draw a line between the good christians and the bad sinners. It is less likely for a married man to rally against Adultery when he's banging his secretary...

Actually it would be worse to do the whole team because there is a repetition of the offense.

The Book of Leviticus was the record of the Levites, who are decended from Aaron, brother of Moses. They were the ones who held the Priesthood, and ministered unto the people of Israel. Among their duties would be preaching of the laws and the prophecies of the Coming of the Messiah. The also officiated the ordinances of the Temple in those days.

Also, the point in Genesis does make Homosexual relations worse of a sin than pre or extra marital sexual relations. The difference is like the difference between decapitation and being drawn and quartered. Your dead after either one, but one hurts more...

 

This might be the best explanation I've heard yet. No one likes to be wrong, or told that they have done wrong. However, homosexuality is something that you can bash without ever having the finger pointed at you (provided you aren't gay). I don't think anyone "becomes" gay. You either are or you aren't. So if you know you aren't gay, then you know you aren't ever going to commit a homosexual act, then you can bash this sin to your heart's content because you know you never will commit it yourself.

While adultery on the other hand, you never can be sure. Heck, you may even commit adultery unwittingly. (For example, say the boss wasn't married but his secretary was, but for whatever reason, he didn't know she was married. He would think he was having pre-marital sex, but he wouldn't know it was adultery.)

I also stand by my statement that the least grevious sin is premarital sex. Of course, I also think that might be because of what Gnarff just brought up - it's the only one I've ever committed (of pre-marital, adulterous and homosexual sex) so I try to justify it.

EDIT: I just got to thinking on this heirarchical order that seems to have been established, and I wonder if using the above example the boss would really have even committed adultery if he didn't know his secretary was married. I mean, he surely had the intent to do it, but he didn't have full knowledge. To me again, it seems like the worst is if you are already married and have sex with someone else. It is bad, but not as bad to the person who isn't married but knows the other person is married, and it is even less of an offense if the person doesn't know the other person is married. In each example, all are considered sinful by Christian doctrine, but again, a heirarcy seems to have been established.

 

No, no.

The worst sin is having sex with a gnome.

 

But of course, I agree with you. I also view promiscuity as either a horrible sin or an extreme weakness. However, there are Catholic theologians who believe that building a monogamous relationship that isn't marriage is a horrible offence, even if there is no sex in it. Yes, I've seen that kind of opinions on my own eyes in a Catholic forum that has the support of the local diocese. It's a Catharian style heresy, not Catholicism, if you want my opinion. Still, those guys seem to have invented a sin of "pairing up" and they believe that if they go around seeing half the town romantically, hugging, kissing etc (so long as they don't have sex), not only are they not sinning but actually doing the right thing! You see... I have pwned them all many times over in a couple of debates. But what is 20KB of healthy logic against the force of habit and inclination? It's their choice but it pisses me off to the max that they spread it around. According to them, having a partner (premarital) and sleeping with him would probably be worse than banging the whole football team because of... yeah, monogamy.

BTW, now you know why I told Chandos in the other thread that I have a big trouble putting up with some of the American Catholics.

Well, there are those active willing sins and sins of negligence. If you have sex with someone without finding out if the person is married or not... well, you shouldn't have had sex, first of all, and the point is that you should only have sex with someone you know for sure to be married to you. Putting an added sin of failing to make sure you weren't participating in marital betrayal makes sense. But it can't really be the same as going on when you specifically know... Not like I'm a priest or anything.

And that leads to the sin of pride, I'm afraid...

Has to be, because all other sins include it. Erm, adultery is not premarital but it includes sleeping with someone to whom you aren't married. So does homosexual intercourse. Both have added components, "simple fornication" doesn't.

@St. James: Thanks. I'm quite sure.

 

St. James, What's wrong with a gnome having sex with another gnome? Or do you just hate gnomes? If its the second, then you're way off topic there. Try the Tolerance thread...

 

"If you break one part of the law, you are guilty of breaking the whole of the law."
Sin is sin. This becomes clear when you realize that all sin involves the act of puting yourself in the place of God. This is really what sin is. So all sin is not just equally bad, it is actually the same thing. The different methods of sin are just different ways of getting there. The gravity of sin that humans put on it is primarily due to consequences, but also effected by how much it revolts the rest of us.
Also, homosexuality is mentioned in the New Testament. It is said to be bad, and the people who commit it are punnished for it. If I had my Bible with me at the moment, I could give you the exact quote and passage, but I don't.

 

Actually, the forbiddance of Homosexuality is in a chapter which also forbids beastiality and incest. But NOG is right, any talk of a hierarchy of sins is a fallacy, which leads to a slippery slope of sinful behaviour. One look at a pornographic magazine implants these images in your mind, and they are hard to remove--if possible at all. The emotions evoked by looking at pornography lead to desiring to continue to sin, leading to forbidden sexual expression...

 

Gnarff, I fully understand that there isn't SUPPOSED to be a heirarchy, but you'd never know it from what you witness. Like I said earlier, sin is sin, but it seems like most people view homosexuality as a worse sin than, for example, adultery.

 

The idea of hierarchy of sins is both right and wrong, it just depends what you make of it and how far you take it. All sins come down to putting yourself in God's place -- this is true. But not all sins are equal in gravity. For starters, there are mortal ones and venial ones. However, Gnarff did mention the varying scope of damage done by the act, didn't he?

And Gnarff's right about porn. What difference does it really make that you haven't done it if you keep thinking about doing it and relive the imaginary scenes over and over in your brain? I believe getting off on porn or fantasising about other people is a form of cheating.

 

What about fantasizing about your wife? If that's a sin, I'm definitely burning in hell - and I certainly am not sorry for my actions.

 

Aldeth, a fairly good rule of thumb: If you enjoy it, it is a sin.

 

Chev:
I know where the Catholics got their whole mortal vs venial sin thing, but I disagree. The heirarchy of sin is purely from a human perspective. We see murder as worse than lieing because murder cannot be corrected and the consequences are vast, while a lie can simply be exposed and the consequences, while variable, are not nearly as vast or permanent. This, however, is a human perspective.
Aldeth:
Nothing wrong with a good fantasy life so long as doing the actual act isn't sinful. Since you're married to your wife, you're good to go .