Election 2004 - Live Coverage

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Dead on Caleb. Two words why Kerry is going to lose:

Religious Right

Or if you prefer: White Protestants

Or even another: Moral Values

And no one seems to be picking up on this one: Gay Marriages. It was on the ballot in 12 different states, and finished last in each one. All the states had an option of full ackowledgement, civil unions, or no ackowledgement. In every case, no ackowledgement finished first (around 40%), civil unions finished second (around 30%), and full acknowledgement finished last (around 20%).

The people from the preceeding groups and with the preceeding concerns voted overwhelmingly for Bush throughout the country - somewhere around 3:1.

Is was hoping that some other two word phrases would have dominated the voting:

Economy sucks

Unemployment Rises

Iraq War

Health Care

Social Security

I could go on, but there is no point. I was hoping what little faith I had left in humanity would be affirmed - no such luck.

 

EDIT: nevermind, I'm off to sleep.

[ November 03, 2004, 16:27: Message edited by: Apeman ]

 

You guys all go and get some sleep, then we can intelligently discuss the issues that drove this election, eh?

Taking our bibles and guns, huh?

 

Just to be my normal pain in the ass I feel the need to make a few comments.

To call the Republican voters "stupid" is very ironic since it is the Democrats that count on the minority votes and it is the minorities that historically have the lowest test scores.

To "lose faith in humanity" because more people disagree with you than agree with you shows a lot of hubris. In an election people decide what is important to them and vote accordingly. Of the issues that you mentioned they may not be as important in other parts of the country as where you are. Here in MA I'm seeing a lot of people change jobs and the economy is much better than it has been in years, we have awesome health care (for people who work), and social security isn't that much of an issue as we send our old people to warmer climates

 

Well, Americans voted, and they seem to have chosen. Like it or not, there's not much anyone can do about it, so we'll just have to hope for the best (or perhaps more realistically, hope for "not the worst").

Rallymama and dmc in 2008!

 

Thanks for the wakeup call, TGS.

The minorities have low test scores because historically, the conservatives, AKA the South, have deprived them of educational equality ever since the Jim Crow laws.

 

@TGS- well, now you have it: the Republican's big chance. A second term president with a majority of the popular vote, a solid hold of both houses of the legislature, and a chance to stock up the judiciary, including the Supreme Court, with conservatives. Basically, whatever the Repubs want, they can get. However, Clinton and the Democrats will no longer be an excuse: if the economy tanks (and if Iraq, Israel/Palestine, or North Korea gets worse), the Repubs will have no one to blame but themselves.

 

Now Bush can truly rule like a king.

 

I agree with Bion:

Cheney-"When we won the Gulf War, the first person I thanked was Ronald Reagan."

Cheney...Something, something, I blame Clinton. (Clinton's army won in Afganistan)

Looks like when this administration tanks again in the next four years, they will have nobody to blame but themselves. I would be hard-pressed to blame Clinton for anything that goes wrong, not like I would blame him for the current problems anyways.

I doubt typical Americans will care though.

 

I guess we'll just have to hope for the best. Try to affect change at a local level.

BTW, I voted for Bush (not without misgivings). Kerrys stance on abortion sealed it for me. I guess I'm an "idiot", "White Protestant" (actually mixed race Catholic), "stupid american hick" (well, I am a hick, but an educated one with a fairly high IQ) who is "devoid of critical thought".

I love you guys!

 

@TGS - Keep in mind I didn't have a whole lot to start with, so it wasn't a great loss.

I also must thank you for being a master of the obvious. I really had no idea that people cast thier vote based on the issues that are most important to them. I also didn't realize that not everyone agrees with my opinion. You have my heart felt thanks for clearing that up for me.

My hubris stands not in people disagreeing with my opinion, but the fact the men and women dying in Iraq, and I don't just mean the Americans. Tens of thousands have been killed, maimed, displaced from thier homes, etc. I cast my vote for the canidate I thought would be the best to correct that situation. It pains me that the religious right who are "pro-life" seem to care more about life yet to be brought into existence than life being lost by the thousands.

The most ironic part about all of this, is that inaction would have served Bush well after Afghanistan was delt with. I feel that if Bush had NOT attacked Iraq, he would have won by a landslide, as his leadership in the weeks following 9/11 was exemplary.

@Jack Funk - Stange - I was under the impression that New Hampshire went blue. Of course, it appears that most of the votes in the country were irrelevant when compared to Ohio.

 

@Aldeth

Yes, NH did go blue, but I'm not the only one who voted.

BTW, I did not vote on party lines. I voted for a Republican senator, a Libertarian Representative, a Republican Governor (who lost), 5 Republican state representatives, and 5 Democrat state representatives. So, including the president, I voted for 8 Republicans, 5 Democrats, and 1 Libertarian.

Want to know how I arrived at my decision? By researching each candidate and choosing based on their stand on the issues.

Strange, but true!

 

Looks like badwidth will be through the roof for you then Talunatain.

Anyone care to chip in to send Bush some victory pretzles.

 

EDIT: My bad - I posted while other's were posting about Kerry upcoming concession.

 

Thank you America for voting for the candidate you would rather have a beer with in one of the most important elections ever.

Edit: My mistake, a little grumpy to be paying good attention to rules. I am American though, so at least I have a good reason to be grumpy.

[ November 03, 2004, 21:15: Message edited by: Rednik ]