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Don't wanna kill Firkraag

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by Capt Massacre, Jun 3, 2005.

  1. Felinoid

    Felinoid Who did the what now? ★ SPS Account Holder

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    @Chickavalier:

    Yes, but Firkaag doesn't know that when he's planning to kill you. :bang: Just because he is prevented from committing an evil act, it doesn't negate the intent to commit it, and it certainly doesn't mean he's not evil.
     
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    Neither do you know that the finale battle will take place in hell :p
     
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    " The real shame is that there aren't any neutral dragons in the game that you can converse with! "

    What about the Silver Dragon outside the Drow City in the Underdark?


    Another item no one has mentioned is the Red Dragon Scale armour you can make from the scales. Pre TOB, this is about the best armour there is. Of course, from a role-playing point of view, you have no idea that you will be able to make that armour.
     
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    @Chas:
    Silver dragons are good (Lawful Good to be exact). I'm talking about one of the neutral (gem) dragons, who won't care whether you're good, neutral, or evil, and simply want someone to chat with.
     
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    I really fail to see why he shouldn't be killed.


    He ruined Winspear's life. He killed, or if you like it better that way, tricked you into killing paladins. Harpers were after him, and I don't think it was because of his good deeds.
    He's sorry? Where? More like bored with Charname. It was just like Mae'Var and his "Go away, tool." Damn, that pissed me off, I must admit. Whole game you are deceived, tricked, and generally 'the dumb guy', but nothing annoyed me as much as Mae'Var. So I slit his throat.
    As for fearing ancient Red Dragon, must I remind that the whole point of BG2 is chasing after very powerful mage, more powerful than Firkraag, and his vampiric sidekick? Charname sure doesn't have self-preserving instinct :)

    And the top thing, no one messes with me and lives :p
     
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    Whole thing wrong is that you can kill dragons easily. you shouldn't be able to kill them easily, or not at all.
     
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    It is sad that the Dragons in the game are a bit lacking in terms of battle prowess. While I'd believe that a party that's gone through the Underdark and most of the sidequests would probably be able to kill him (though not without some difficulty), a party with an average level of around 10-15 would probably be slaughtered. It would have been better if the dragons in BG2 where like the Lionheart variety, with the ability to fly. Probably with the innate abilities "eat adventurer", "use my tail to slap them all away + 100 points of crushing damage", or "sit down on the mage before he finishes casting finger of death".

    I play chaotic neutral so I have half a world of reasons why I should kill that dragon. In the instances I played Good, I killed him because the reason why he spared my character is:

    a) He's lying. He knows that he could be fighting a godling whose destiny seems clearer than the others. Crossing said godling and thus, attempting to deter him from his fate could be disastrous to his health.
    b) He's telling the truth. He is overconfident. He is bored. He's thinks you're an actor and that the movie is about to commence.
    c) A combination of the previous two reasons.

    Anyway, it's becomes apparent that the reason why he's evil is because he does evil things for the sake of entertainment. If it's in your conscience to allow such an evil creature to plague the lands... It'd be like leaving Reijek Hidesman to continue his dirty work.
    He spared Gerran because that part of the entertainment is over. That Gerran turned out better off without responsibilities is a side-effect. It's irrelevant. In fact, "spare" is not even the word for it. Ignore is more apt. There's no point in torturing him further because that part's already been done to hell. The next person - probably some figure who made a name for himself helping people who Firkraag decides to destroy in all aspects - financially, socially, spiritually, emotionally and finally, physically for the sake of "amusement" has his blood on your hands. Gerran was only too lucky to have survived.
    Of course, there's no point in killing a dragon then and there if you're not ready and he's apt to kill you 100%. There are, after all, two sides to Tymora's coin.
    But there's no reason why a Mage who can cast LvL 8 spells, a Warrior who has had time to master his skills (killing sahaugin, beholders, drow, kuo-toa, mindflayers, etc) or a priest who has gained the ability to resurrect party mates couldn't kill him, with some effortand planning. These characters already rank as close to legendary by D&D measures, I think.

    [ July 03, 2005, 14:14: Message edited by: Scythesong Immortal ]
     
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    Not killing him (unless you really, really kick ass) would be the more roleplaying-ish decision ... but what's the point of RPing in this game? It certainly doesn't support it, so hack and slash and burn and trash and blow those dudes away :)
     
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    Bingo! If you want roleplaying, pick up the pen & paper version, find some friends, and go nuts!
    :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
    It's way more fun than the CRPG's, and has a lot more options. :thumb: :thumb:
     
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    Also, gorion hates him. so you hate him.
     
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    [​IMG] My God! Why haven´t any of you seen the light yet? This is D&D, right? Which means Dungeons & Dragons. You explore Dungeons & kill Dragons. End of discussion. :D :D :D
     
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    Neutral dragon:
    in watcher's keep, 4th floor, githyanki area, Saladrex
     
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    He's red, therefore he's evil.
    Dragons - color coded for your convinience.
     
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    Caradhras I may be bad... but I feel gooood! Veteran

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    @Elwyn: appropriate quote from the OoTS!

    I remember an old slogan for dragonsbane swords which said something like this: Just kill it!

    Opening of the Dragon hunting season! ;)
     
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    @Chickavalier:
    Unless my sources are mistaken (I only got ToB recently and haven't tried it out yet), Saladrex is another red, which makes him evil. I'm talking about neutral dragons here. The five classic examples from the Monstrous Manual are: Amethyst, Crystal, Emerald, Sapphire, and Topaz. These are the gem dragons. The only ones that are even close to red are amethyst (purple) and topaz, which looks like a big yellow bat with orange wings. :nuts:

    Urgh! I think I found out why there are no neutral dragons in BG2. They all have some psionics. I doubt the programmers would want to code those abilities in just to enable neutrals. :sosad: :cry: It's not fair!
     
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    Well Saladrex isn't THAT evil if you take the time to actually talk to him. Full of himself and pompous, yes, but evil? He doesn't go around killing paladins, kidnapping children, and framing bands of adventurers (all of which Firkraag's done). In fact he's the only dragon in BG2 (aside from the even more arrogant silver dragon, and the Hell dragon) that doesn't brag on about the people he's slaughtered.

    I always feel a little guilty every time I kill him :)
     
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    As Elwyn said, red = evil (specifically, Chaotic Evil). Just because Saladrex doesn't brag about it doesn't mean he hasn't done it (or worse). Maybe he's heard of how you killed Firkraag, and is scared s***less that you're going to do the same to him, so he pretends to be a numbskull.

    And the ever popular alignment breakdown (this time, backwards! :roll: ):

    CE: Maybe kill him just because he thinks he's SO beautiful. :p
    NE: Treasure and XP vs. chance of injury.
    LE: Leave the nutbag alone.
    CN: Like you can predict this one. :nuts:
    TN: He's not upsetting the balance, leave him alone.
    LN: He's not breaking any laws, leave him alone.
    CG: It's red, kill it!
    NG: He's probably evil, might as well kill him before he escapes and causes harm.
    LG: Leave him alive due to lack of evidence. After all, he probably is evil, but he's not doing anything evil (that you know of).
     
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    I'm thinking same with Ziad
     
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    lol Felinoid.

    IMO, it's the lawful character who might decide to kill Saladrex because he thinks he so beautiful (and pompous and mighty, as if he were above the law). If I were pompous myself, I'd kill him out of sheer outrage. :p

    EDIT
     
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    CN: tastes like chicken
     
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