D&D rules getting to complicated

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After reading some forum this thought occured to me. It was a debate over xp penalties. the person was a human druid and had two other classes on level one. He had the penalty after shapeshifting to a bear. The debate went on but left me with the question:

Is it going to far? Are the rules getting so absurdly huge that gamemakers dedide not to use them? Is the treshold to high for new gamers?

 

D20 is known for being extremely overcomplicated at simple things while entirely mainstreaming things that should have more rules. This is not news.

So yeah, there is a serious threat from getting new players. I've had players getting bored with D20 after playing either a more realistic or more abstract game. D20 tries too hard to be something in between, which it fails horribly.

If WotC didn't acquire licences for non-standard D20 settings, they'd go in the crapper so fast it isn't funny.

 

Apparently 4.0 is going out of it's way to make the game less complicated, at least for the DM. Yes, that's right, WotWC, despite their denials, is apparently working on 4.0.

 

Okay, let's see if I got it right:

A human druid multiclassed twice and the multiclasses are both at level 1? There should be no XP penalty. Humans get their highest class as their "favored" class and as long as the other 2 classes are within 1 level of each other, there is no penalty.

DnD is based on whatever the players decide kind of rules. Everything is optional. My group decided prestige classes don't affect any XP penalty you might get.

 

BTA, I think that was changed in 3.5

Or was it like it in 3.0, and then changed to no penalty in 3.5?

 

The multiclassing is easy. Even shapechanged. My point is not the penalty, my point is that it is discussed so proving that it make things complicated. I like 3.5 as it is, and take the time to figure it out.

BG2 introduced me to D&D, and after that NWN1. I have bought the player handbook and monster manual to get more understanding of the rules.

 

D&D 3.0 came out in 2000. Even starting on 4.0, it won't likely ship until 2010. 10 years between paradigm shifts like that is not a huge problem...

I think that the game expanded in ways they never envisioned 7 years ago. 4.0 would accommodate that...

 

Hehehe, he had a multiclassing experience penalty when he shifted out of his human shape (favoured class: any) into his bear shape? (no favoured class mentioned)

There's no mention of multiclassing rules being applicable for a druid's wildshape ability, so they don't.

But yes, the rules are overly complicated at times. Even with a group that consists of pretty much only DMs with several years of experience, we have to look up quite a few things each session.

 

People, stop making references to edition 4.0. That's only a rumor, and it can stay a rumor, if you ask me.