Cave battle problems

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So uh yea.

I'm at that spot right after you solve the rock puzzle in IWDII (end of chapter 3)

However here's the problem. I did all that etc etc I met with the troops from Neverwinter, however instead of greeting them and moving into the cave (for the first Dragon fight) they immiediatly turned into the 'dopplegangers' so I defeat them no problem.

However, instead of the Cave battle being 2 seperate battles like its supposed to be now when I go in the cave there are 2 WWs plus their wyverns. A rediculous task for a cpl lvl 11s, and I've alrdy tried to go down the hole but it says I must defeat them first. I'm pretty sure I did something earlier in the game to make the Neverwinter troops attack me right away.

Is that they way it's supposed to be or did I **** up?

Any help is appreciated.

 

You didn't necessarily do anything wrong. It's just one of the possible options for that situation. I've had to do it both ways, though admittedly it's easier to deal with the dragons separately.

 

Welp, that being the case I guess I'm screwed. Dont know how I'm gonna kill everything at once =/

Sucks to be me I guess.

 

Don't bother. There are several ways to win this battle, try different tactics.

If you tell us your party composition you'll get more detailed advice.

 

Human Paladin of Mystra(1)/
Monk of the Old Order(1)/
Sorcerer(x)
(2 of em)

Human Bard(5)/
Dreadmaster of Bane(4)/
Druid(x)


Deep Gnome Monk of the Old Order(1)/
Dreadmaster of Bane(20)/
Illusionist(9)

Deep Gnome Rogue(2)/
Paladin(1)/
Illusionist(x)


all around lvl 11 or so

 

I had that happen to me too--I also didn't deliver the trapped letter and had to fight the doppelgangers, I wonder if it's related. The thing that makes the combined battle hard is that the second dragon pops up at the BACK, bypassing your decoy. Well, that and the fact that the dragon breath Slows you and can't be Evaded. Anyway, hopefully you have enough Hide skills and Invisibility spells of various sorts that you can make everyone invisible, turn off AI ("A" key), attack one of the dragons with your decoy so they all focus on him (probably need many Mirror Images and/or healing potions for him), and THEN turn AI back on and/or do your normal long-range missile attacks on the dragons. It should be quite doable.

-Max

 

I dunno, anymore tactics or tricks that might work in this situation are appreciated

---------- Added 2 hours, 10 minutes and 53 seconds later... ----------

Wow, I beat it somehow. Only took like 2 hours. Thanks to those that helped.

 

Spoiler

You know, I never actually got to experience that. I always gave the fake letters to the dopplegangers and thus got to butcher them in the 'near death' state. So if you don't trick them, they end up attacking you at the SAME time as the dragons do?

 

No what happens is, technically the battle is supposed to go like this.

You talk to the soldiers, yadda yadda, then run in the cave to kill one WW and some wyvrns.

Then you're supposed to go back outside and find out that they are dopplegangers, kill them, then go back inside to fight another WW and some more wyvrns.

For some reason, some people get attacked immiediatly by the dopplegangers only to go into the Cave to see that the spawn is twice the size as it should be.

 

The wyverns are easily 'frozen' with Chromatic Orb, taking them out of the picture. That leaves the 2 wyrms. They have weak magic resistance, meaning offensive spells can get through. But it's easiest to just buff up beforehand.

 

And they're probably vulnerable to flame damage.

 

Hey, that's extra wyrm and DRAGON spawns for more kill exp! Surely beats the lousy quest exp you get by delivering the letters earlier on.

Is this double spawn a random glitch or something you could actually count on happening?

 

@Rechet,

That wasn't how it happened for me.

See Doppelgangers when first entering outside map. A fight starts, I don't remember if I could have avoided it.
No wyrms outside. Go in the cave.
One wyrm and some wyverns. Attack!
One round into things, the second wyrm (who would normally have been fought before entering the cave) show up on the edge of the map and attacks from behind.

So, I didn't get more monster EXP, just got to fight them all at once instead of separately.

-Max

 

Yea that's how it was for me.

2 wyrms and a dragon attack from the front then another dragon spawns at the cave entrance all at once.

 

That has never happened for me. I have always fought the dopplegangers, then the White Dragon and crew outside and then another inside the cave. I should try running directly into the cave next time. I would love to fight 2 Dragons at once. AWESOME! That is what these games are all about, the great, epic battles. The Dragon being the King-Daddy of them all! Now I can fight 2 at once. Thanks for the idea! Only if there was a way to fight 2 Reds at once.... maybe in BG2?

 

Agreed. I don't think that there are any additional dragons or wyrms. It's just that you may face them in a single battle, or split into two separate battles. I don't know if there's any difference in possible XP. I suppose that having to face them in a single battle may be worth some more XP in that the challenge rating may be higher with 2 dragons and more white wyrms, than in the two smaller battles.

 

With the 3rd edition rules, I would say yes, the CR should be higher. But I doubt the game adjust for that instance. Though, that would be a nice addition to the game if it did.

 

Well it being my first time running through IWDII (played IWD years ago) it was quite an epic battle to say the least. I had to go back to town and buy like 20k worth of potions and just roll heals constantly 1-6.

I killed both wyrms then went outside saved, and then went back inside to finish the dragons.

I spent about 2 hours figuring out how to approach the situation. For a first timer it was deefinetely the hardest battle yet.

 

I haven't noticed any CR modifications whatsoever during the test runs, so I'd be extremely surprised to find any in the future.

The only thing that changes, based on your party's average level, is the amount and type of mobs you meet. But once that's decided, you'll always get the same tabled amount of exp per kill for a given mob whether you fight them alone or together with their ten identical brothers and sisters.