Are you surrprised at the lack good aligned mages in BG1?

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What does that have to do with WIS? And if you're lobbying for 18 DEX, remember again that this is an NPC; putting 18s everywhere looks horrible, and 16 or 17 is a fairly good score for someone who doesn't have DEX as their most important stat.

 

If Eldoth's STR. & DEX. scores were flipped an I could get him sooner I would. I hate getting abard late in the game and he has 16 to 20 hit points.

I agree, and thats why it is hard to build a decent NPC bard. The stats are too spead out.

 

Simple. It was about your point in putting extra atributes to Con. Con is almost useless on a high dex character, especially one who's not a tank. So those extra atributes might as well go to Wis.
I don't see why are you against an 18 dex character. Remember that Coran has 20 (impossible built even for an elf) whil Kagain has 20 Con (another impossible built).

 

I'm not against 18 DEX, I'm against having 18s everywhere and creating an uber-NPC. With there being already an 18 in CHA and a 17 in INT with your proposal, another 18 is overkill. You'll notice that even Coran and Kagain with their ridiculous 20s (not impossible, BTW, with certain subraces), have only two 'exceptional' scores, and Coran's is even in CHA where it won't do him a bit of good unless you elect him party leader.

As for the points being useless in CON, AC doesn't help one bit against spells. The plain, simple truth is that sooner or later, everyone will get hit, and extra HP helps you survive that. I'd hardly call that useless.

And finally, "they might as well go to WIS" is faulty as well. Even if CON were useless, STR certainly isn't. A STR of 14 or 16 would mean doubled carrying capacity, while again, you'll notice barely any difference from a WIS of 15, as I already explained. What this adds up to is that WIS is the worst place to put points into for a bard, barring a minimum of 10 to prevent lore penalties.

[ August 31, 2006, 09:08: Message edited by: Felinoid ]

 

It might have been more interesting to just redo the existing NPC's stats ? Garrick and Eldoth doesnt need to be so useless, with a little bit of mixing with the stats they could both be more interesting choises (I am talking about just giving them a +1 or +2 in a few stats that they would benefit from, not go overboard with 18s etc) It would have been nice to see all of the NPC's more or less equal in stats, as opposed to now where certain NPC's are considered so overpowerfull there is no point in adding anything else (coran or exs).

I used Garrick and Safana in my last party and had a great time, they are fun and a bit different from what i am used to (as well as Ajantis, Branwen and Yeslick for rest of the team). And yet so many people refuse to use those two becose of their stats ? well if all stats where more "similar" perhaps it would be more interesting for everyone to try different NPC's (and yes im even talking about redusing Coran to dex 19 and Kagain to Con 19 to aply with normal rules for elf and dwarf).

 

Has anyone considered using the Tutu mods that allow NPCs to use kits? Kivan was an archer in BG II and it fits him to be one in 1 as well. After all, he's the one with a bow in his avi picture, not Coran I am wondering about my party... Jaheira and Khalid don't seem so powerful, or useful, but the plot makes it hard for me to take them away...

 

I think if you lowered Kagain's CON. to 19 and Coran's DEX. to 19 it would ruin the unique qualities that make them appealing enough to use in the first place. In kagin's case, without a con. 20 giving him regeneration, he is a below average fighter who gets hit alot due to his low dex. and cannot carry many throwing axes and loot while wearing a heavy suit of armor at the same time due to his str. In Coran,s case, the only thing his dex. 20 gives is a few extra thief points and plus it looks kool on a record sheet, but that is just enough for some players to think, Hey! this elf rocks! So the only real advantage in these guys having 20's instead of 19,s in these stats is perception. Coran gains next to nothing and kagin trades getting hit a lot for regeneration. anyway, thats my take on thier high stats.