3E & NWN weapon skill system

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As a total 3E and NWN newbie I am curious about it's weapon proficiencies. I don't have the slightest idea of how they will be like - perhaps similar to BG-2/ 2E?
So I would be happy about explanation

 

You really do need to buy the 3E PHB, cos there are SHEDLOADS of them, far too many to mention here. They come under 'feats' and enable you to customise your characters fighting style WAY beyond the 2E kits. How many will be built into the NWN engine? Hopefully most, but not the FR regional feats I understand.

 

So 3E/ NWN uses a modular and free combinable approach?

An example - you play an elven fighter:
-class specific combat abilities
-race specific combat abilities (maybe boni in l-sword & l-bow [or for dwarfs hammers & axes or halfling s-sword & s-bow & sling])
-weapon focus
-weapon style ...

Did I get about the right impression?

 

As they try to make NWN as similar to 3rd edition as possible, I think these will be correct.

And about weapons:

simple weapons: clubs, crossbows & stuff.
all but wizards gain it, cost: 1 feat
martial weapons: all normal weapons
most fighting types gain it, cost: 1 feat
exotic weapons: bastard swords, double weapons, nunchaku etc.
nobody gains it, Cost 1 feat/weapon type

 

One more ignorant question regarding 3E/ NWN:

How does dual -& multiclassing work in 3E? Erran noted that I will have to spend a fighter level and then a thief level ...

So will I progress in the class I like to develop? Or do I have to share the xp I get on both classes or do I have to make a "cut" changing class (like when dualclassing a char in BG-1/2).

Additionally: When I choose a classcombinbation in NWN will I be restricted in my combat abilities, like the ** when playing a multiclassed char in BG-1/2? Or will I be able to develop the combat abilities like in a dualclassed char (means: to the maximum allowed for a fighter).

btw - And what is a "feat"?

 

Dual-classing does not exist in 3E. Multi-classing is now more like DC was in 2E. You start with only one class say ranger. You gain XP and then can chose to gain a new level in your current class or a new one. Thus you could become a level 2 ranger or stay a lvl 1 ranger and add a lvl 1 druid. So now you are a 1/1 character with 2 lvl of XP. At third you can increase either Ranger or Druid to lvl 2.

What Erran was saying is you can't be a 10 lvl Druid and a 3 lvl Ranger.

I've simplified things. There are some racial exception to this rule.

A 'feat' is a ability or special talent. Feats include things like, shooting on horseback, charging with a shield, dodging attacks, etc. Here is the full list. http://ncweb1.wab.wku.edu/Plemons/Falcon/dnd_feats.cfm

Multi-class character have all the abilities of all classes.

Did that help?

[This message has been edited by Voltric (edited July 19, 2001).]

 

ok rag, heres all i know.
feats arent here for total gamesavers, theye just meant to help you out along the way.
every class and race gets at least one feat to bginw ith, human get an axtra one and fightes get an extra one. so if your a human fighter you get three.
if fighter you get another one at level two and at every even level after that (i.e. 2,4,6,8).
feats are lik special moves for whatever class, i.e. fighters can atack another prson if they kill the epron in fornt of them with "cleave"
mages can chose a feat that lets the memorize a spell that they only see in action, for instance say you saw somneone cast magic missile and you didnt knwo it, you could learn it just by watching them.

feats are just theyre to customize your character, diversity and gameplay

 

What do you mean you can't be a 10 lvl Druid and a 3 lvl Ranger? Of course you can! You'll just receive an experience penalty if your classes are more than one level apart.

You people forgot some classes have alignment restrictions... So all combos aren't possible.

 

Correction, humans (And half-elves I believe) only get the penalty if they have more than 2 classes that are more than 2 levels away from eachother.

Example: a lvl 5 fighter/lvl 4 cleric/lvl 4 thief is fine.

A lvl 5 ftr/4 clr/1 thf isn't... you get a penalty.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Hehehe, I told you it was complex, thats why I said buy the PHB - preferably from Sorcerer & Amazon!

 

Hehehe... Can we make this anymore unclear?

Actually Vile, it's possible for that F/C/T multiclass to have no penalties also. Don't forget about the racially favored classes. A halfling, for instance, wouldn't get a penalty for the above combination, because the favored class is a rogue.

A dwarf level 5 fighter/ level 2 cleric/level 1 rogue would also have no penalties because the fighter is the favored class.

And it's not a *more* than 2 level difference, it's 2 or more.

 

Favored multiclasses:
Human: all
Half orc: barbarian
Halfling: rogue
Half elf: all
Elf: wizard
Dwarf: fighter
Gnome: illusionist

 

OK - back to the combat system. I downloaded the NWN demo char generator and toyed around a bit:

So your char gets (a) a base attack bonus + (b) ability boni + (c) feat boni + (d) misc boni (btw - what's that?) resulting in an attackbonus of, let's say 19 (Question about the system's numbers: the higher the better?).

The AC usually seems to be a wee bit high compared to the numbers I am used from BG-1 & 2. Can anybody please explain how it is created?

When I attack an opponent with AC-16: Do I have to roll a 17 to get a score a sucessfull attack?

 

The miscl Boni can be anything from a bonus a sword gives the wielder, a bonus from a spell, or any other type of bonus your character gains in the game not related to ability scores or basic attacks or feats. An example from something like BG would be Defender, which gave +3 to hit and Damage. The plus three "to hit" would be a minsl Boni if I am not mistaken.

 

Can someone please post a link to that NWN demo character generator that Ragusa was talking about?

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Ragusa: Thanks

[This message has been edited by Silvershade (edited July 24, 2001).]