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XP Percentages

Discussion in 'BG2: Throne of Bhaal (Classic)' started by Aldeth the Foppish Idiot, Mar 31, 2006.

  1. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    One thing I always do every once in a while is look at what each member of my party has in the way of kills - specifically the percentage of kills they have for the party. I had a big surprised when I checked this out last night.

    My party consists of:

    Anomen
    Jaheira
    Minsc
    Imoen
    Nalia
    and my PC F/Assassin (SKed)

    So if everyone was contributing equally, they would each have approximately 16% of the total kills. I started with my mages and then the melee people. Nalia and Imoen came in at 9% and 8% respectively. This came as no surprise to me. Given that the majority of battles are smaller skirmishes, I typically don't have to use any or many spells, so the mages were using missile weapons, and thus get less kills than those in melee. So that made sense to me.

    Anomen clocked in at 16% - exactly what you'd expect for the average. My PC had 21%, which also seemed about right. That left me with 46% of the kills remaining between Jaheira and Minsc. I naturally assumed that the lion's share of that would be from Minsc, but I couldn't have been more wrong. Minsc is just getting 12% of the kills, while Jaheira is far and away the party leader with 34%! First I cannot believe that Minsc isn't even getting as many kills as Anomen, and that Jaheira is beating everyone by a considerable margin. The only explanation I have for this is that Anomen and Jaheira are on the front line, as they are the best defended characters (Anomen uses a shield and has the best AC, while Jaheira has stoneskin on). My PC and Minsc dual wield so they have less defenses and are on the second row. Given that Jaheira and Anomen engage the enemy first it does make sense that they may have a slight advantage, but certainly not by the margin I see.

    Has this ever happened to any of you - that you get a character that is doing way more than you thought, even though it doesn't seem like that in the game?
     
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    Well my Druidic Sorcerer had more than %50 of the kills when I finished Ascension IIRC. Ofcourse, he was hugely powerful and I used him as the main destructive force most of the time.

    To tell you the truth, I like killing enemies with my main PC. To land the final blow to a huge boss or important enemy. I think it fits the Bhaalspawn saga better, the main enemies should indeed die at the hands of the main character. :p
     
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    Interesting question.

    I checked my last two completed games. My main tank, an Inquisitor in both cases, PC and Keldorn, did most of the killing. He was the best equipped fighter getting all the good stuff like boots of speed first.
    When using my PC as the main tank he had scored almost 40% of the kills at the end of TOB compared to Keldorn with just 28%.
    Silverstar and I have the same attitude here I think ;)

    Jaheira did very good both times scoring the second most kills when the whole game is taken into consideration.
    If you just regard TOB Solaufein was better. But he is overpowered. He even cut my PC's share down from 50% kills at the end of SoA to 40% in ToB.
    And I was not very adept in using a F/M then. Very bothersome to buff up all the time ;)
    In the second game Jaheira could stand against Sarevok in ToB and was better than Minsk.
    I think that is comparable to your situation proving her power if she is equipped with the right items. In the beginning of SoA she is only useful because of her spell 'Call Woodland beings' and her healing skills. It's very difficult even to find a good magical weapon for her. Just quarterstaffs :(
    But after she gets her Ironskins and the magical clubs + Belm in Trademeet she gains very good combat abilities as well.

    At what point of the game are you ?
    And which melee weapons do Minsk and Jaheira wield ? At least for most of the time ?
     
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    My PC's if they aren't mages tend to have the most kills as well. 35-40% usually.

    Oddly I usually let who ever's going to get the kill get the kill and the really big baddies like dragons and stuff that their names might stay with the character all the way through ToB.

    My Monk has landed the death blow on many of them and they aren't spread out over my various characters like usual.
     
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    Is the percentage of kills based on the number of kills or experience from kills?

    I know in my games I tend to protect the clerics (and Jaheira) by having them attack the lesser enemies while the main tanks go after the big guys. As such, she gets a lot of kills, but she rarely even gets a hit on the high xp guys.
     
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    In my monk game right now my monk is 45% experience. 34% in number of kills. these numbers are usually a little closer but as I said my monk has been landing a lot of blows on the really big nasties.

    In comparison Korgan in the same party is at 32% of the experience and 36% of the kills.

    Two mage types are in my party and I switched to Seravok so his kills are real low but he's already caught up to one of my mages.

    My Previous game however with my Wizard slayer. My Wizard slayer is a bit low to my usual. Partly because of more characters in the thick of the fray. My Wizard slayer at the final save was like 27% experience. 24% kills. Cernd 20% in both. and Misnc at about the same as my Wizard Slayer.

    Keep in mind though that I tend to play with at least two mages of some kind. and usually only about 2 full out tanks but I get to a point where I don't use a lot of spells on smaller encounters. Otherwise the mages would probably have a lot more kills.
     
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    I once had Minsc with 75% of the kills in a six man party with Sarevok at 14%. The rest of the kills were divided among the rest.
     
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    Minsc had %75 of kills? :eek:

    Well, personally, I am more of a magic guy than might, so most of my enemies die because of heavy spells thrown here and there, and my mages get the credits, while the few true tanks are only for cannon fodder and bait, if needed.

    Though there are times when they are NEEDED. Wraith of Wrath anyone? :mommy:

    Anyway. I had started a newest game and I am still in improved Dungeon of JonBon. My Chorister (bard kit) killed Improved Ilych with a Vampiric Touch (bhaalspawn power), Zivago with a Skull Trap, and Neophyte Galebrezu with Magic Missiles. As you can see, my game has a strong aptitude for magic and my main PC just right from the very start! Fun! :roll:
     
  9. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Fairly early ToB. I killed Gromnir, and I'm currently going through Watcher's Keep.

    That's where it gets even crazier. I use the item upgrade mod, so Jaheira's main hand weapon is Pitchwife. It's made from combining the clubs Gnasher with Blackblood - or whatever that club is called you can buy in Trademeet. She has Belm in her offhand for an extra attack, and is equipped with the Girdle of Hill Giant Strength, which raises her strength to 19.

    Minsc, on the other hand, is dual wielding Foebane, upgraded, in his main hand, and Crom Faeyr in his offhand. I probably will switch Minsc to the Axe of the Unyielding, but I have not yet acquired the claw to upgrade it, so I think that Foebane remains my better option for the time being. So while Jaheira is getting one more attack than he is, Minsc with a Stength of 25 should be hitting for way more damage. 19 strength is IIRC, +3/+7, while 25 stength should be +7/+14. So Minsc should be hitting more frequently and doing more damage per hit. You'd think that would make up for Jaheira having one extra attack, espcially considering Belm is ineffective against many enemies at only +2.

    It's whatever number is first on the list. I think that's number of kills. I'm not at my home computer so I can't verify this. That having been said, I usually do not see a wide difference between the two numbers. The XP value of kills is usually within a couple of percentage points of the number of kills, except early in Chapters when one big kill may throw the percentages off.

    The strength factor is what's really bothering me. My PC is stronger than Jaheira as well, with a strength of 21, and seeing as how he also gets an extra attack with his offhand weapon (the one you get in the Copper Coronet that's normally only useable by monks - I forget it's name, but my PC F/T has UAI, so he can use it) he should be keeping up better with Jaheira. He's dual wielding Celestial Fury with the weapon I can't remember, so apart from things like golems, there isn't really anything that Jaheira should be having a much easier time with.
     
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    Aldeth, I think the weapon you can't remember is called the Scarlet Ninja-to. I'm not sure, but that sounds right. *resumes lurking, and enjoying the scent of presently-percolating coffee*
     
  11. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Yup, that's the one. For some reason I couldn't think of it.
     
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    Some of it is just all about who gets the last blow. some of it is about who can take how much before they have to down healing potions or the like which takes up their turns.
     
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