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What's the latest point in game that you would scrap a character for another?

 

Depends. A totally useless character would be scrapped at any point just so I don't have to deal with his pathfinding. If the rest of the party is already level 30, there's little chance that a replacement character would advance much beyond level 6 at the very most (perhaps not beyond level 1) so maybe I wouldn't replace at that point, just scrap the useless guy.

If you just had a bad build and want to reboot, a more-fun alternative might be to one or two of your best characters (sorc?) and restart the game with him as the head of a new party.

-Max

 

At level 30 you've stopped getting xp for a lot of things. If you bring in a new character at that point, you'll start getting xp again plus the xp for the higher level creatures. Your character can level up quite quickly

 

If you bring in a level 1 character at that point, your average level (rounded down) is 25. At that point you're anywhere from 11 to 14 levels above your average opposition--IIRC, getting up to level 30 in the first place usually requires level-squatting. I'm not that high-level yet, but JUPP certainly makes it sound as if there's little experience to be earned naturally past level 25 except by fighting bosses. And as soon as the new guy hits level 6, the average party level is now 26 and you earn 30% less experience than before.

Maybe I'm wrong though. It's been a long time since I had any characters with levels that high.

-Max

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P.S. Naturally all these caveats go out the window if you're bringing in MORE THAN ONE new guy. JUPP mentions how you could take a whole party of newbies (plus one veteran) instantly to level 30 just by defeating Thorasskus in HoF mode. JUPP also says that wouldn't be any fun/challenge but it illustrates the point: it's never too late to get rid of a poor party member.

 

spmdw45, I think that you may have left out a verb above. Did you mean to say that you might "export" one or two characters?

That'd certainly be a viable alternative, although it you do it "too late" in the game and the 1-2 characters are too high a level, those 2 characters by themselves might totally trash all enemies in the first chapter. Of course, on the flip side, your average party level might be rather higher and the advancement of the other (i.e. lower level) characters might be rather slow.

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I once played a party of 5 up until the Wandering Village, where I added a level 1 ranger (from a role-playing perspective, the ranger was a resident of the village that wanted to join the party and go adventuring, etc., etc.). IIRC, it was quite a challenge to keep the level 1 character alive long enough for her to gain enough levels and HP to be competitive. (Lots of hiding while the rest of the party did the real fighting.) Such a character will level up VERY fast, as long as you keep it alive to earn the XP. (And on the flip side, the level 1 character would lower the average level of the party, so the entire party will advance a bit more quickly, as long as you keep the new character alive.) And you can use that nice tome at the monastery to allow such a character catch up, if that's the best use of those free XP, of course.

 

So I'm just about to start Chapter 5.

Think my chars are roughly 10-15 (would have to look) depending on penalties.

Is it too late to junk someone and bring a lvl 1 into the party?

To be exact It's as follows. 9, 13, 13, 12. 10,12 about to get on Oswalds ship to Kuldahar. Was thinking of junking a char before I go. Think If I ju7st make sure it can hide i'll be alright?

 

I think that you'd probably be ok at that point, hootpad, as long as your level 1 character could survive the initial encounter after you land. Gotta remember that a level 1 character is likely to only be good for only 1-2 good hits before dying.

Out of curiosity, what character are replacing with what? Will your new character be able to make use of the equipment of the character you dump? (I don't mean rules-wise. I mean will the old character's equipment be useful to the new character...) Don't forget to strip the old character of all his items before you delete him.

 

Heh, yea I planned on making sure of it.

I went ahead and did it and just saved a backup. So far so good but dont wanna speak to soon. Lvled on the first set of mobs. SO hopefully all goes as planned.

 

Oh yeah, you can totally replace a character at that point. Don't worry too much about him dying--just give him a good missile weapon and a few potions of Invisibility or Sanctuary. One caveat: he will be permanently behind the rest of the party in levels (although they will be higher-level than they would be without him). Thus, substitution works better for classes/roles that are more stat-sensitive than level-sensitive, like berserker or debuffer, and not so well for someone who is supposed to be a bombardier. Fortunately that's exactly the type of character you are likely to want to be remaking at this point anyway...

-Max

 

Yea, this is my first time through IWD II so forgive my ignorance.

The character I substituted in was a high dex/high evasion-saves etc/rogue (1) fighter heavy drow (does that make sense?)

I noticed my lack of ranged attacks and had a character I gimped so I figured I might as well.

So far so good, he's level 5 and im at the Ojatha's fight in Yuan-ti, which is proving the first setback with the new character.

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Just a bit of reference for anyone wanting to do the same

Char hit level 12 at the Saablic Tan fight. So yea, it was very viable to make him at the point I did. He's still kinda soft but he's ranged so he stays out of most everyones way anyways.