Weather Changes, Natural or Unnatural?

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Well let me explain what i mean. The easyiest way would probably be by explaining what i mean by the weather changes.
Where i live the typical weather in the different seasons are as followed:
Summer- generally fine weather. Temp usually between 20 and 25 C. Not much wind.

Autum- still fine weather. Over cast queit often. Tepm between 15 - 22 degrees C

Winter - A lot of rain. a few fine days. NO SNOW EVER and tepm usually around 16 but never dropping below 5

Spring - Strong winds, fine weather, temp almost the same as in summer

Well thats the typical weather around where i live and now i'll tell you about some of the "strange" weather which we've had resently.


1999 - We had snow!!! Never before in recorded histroy has this happened

2002 - 2003 We had no winter at all. This summer which had just past we had no rain at all and still haven't seen any rain at all. No wind what so ever and in New Zealand Wellington (where i live) is known as windy wellington, so as you can see by the name its usually pritty windy.

So what i want to know is what people think about this. Have humans done this? or Would this have even if humans weren't on this planet?
or Do you think that humans have mearly speed up a natrual process? Or is this a stupid topic which i shouldn't continue to go on about?

[ May 03, 2003, 05:18: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

 

Are we humans no longer part of nature??

 

Did i ever say humans weren't natral?

 

You look at three years and claim the weather has changed. It might just as well be coincedence that the weather was a bit odd in those three years. If you want to claim that the weather has changed, take a look at the bigger picture, compare the weather from now with that a hundred years ago.

 

Yes, by questioning if humans caused the changes in the world or if it is a nature thing

 

Silverblade, The nearest mountain to me, 100 years ago right through the year would be completly covered in snow. Now a days we would be luckey to get 1 week worth of good snow right up the top of the bloody mountain.
But if you do look at a bigger picture, you can't say that the world isn't heating up, the water levels rising etc etc.
@Morgoth
Would you say a nuclear bomb is natral?
I know for sure i wouldn't.
What i'm trying to say is that what humans have done certainly isn't natraul. Global warming, pollution and many more things certainly are not natral things.

 

100 years is still a too short period to claim the weather has changed permanently. From my point of view, things would have been abnormal if the temperature and weather stayed exactly the same for thousands and thousands of years. It varies all the time, and it is very likely that we have nothing to do with it. But of course, we're not completely sure on that and should still take our precautions.

 

Here in Greece we should have about 25 C but right now it's 38 C :melting because of the heat: (this should happen only in mid-August and now it's spring).
2002-2003 is always raining as if we were in England(that's a good thing because 2000-2001 we were short of water because of the heat(42C in July 2001 )).
It SNOWED three weeks ago(completely unnatural). We hardly had any snow in the city where I live in (actually it snowed three times but never laid even a thin layer of snow) while in other areas the lowest height of snow was about 2 meters.
The temperature in winter was below 0 C reaching -5 C(never happened before in Thessaloniki).
So are all these "coincidences" or natural? No, I don't think so. We, humans, are responsible for these problems. That's my opinion.

 

It's fact that the climate is changing. How much is "natural" and "unnatural" is antother question. I personally say a lot is "unnatural".

Here, glaciers are melting away. In recorded history, alpne glaciers were never so small.

The snowline is getting higher and higher. And are tourism industry is worried. Until the 1960s the big seas were usally frozen and save to walk. Traditional crossing of the frozen sea has become impossible lately. I never had a chance to do it. Now, every year there's a big discussion, will the seas be this year frozen enough to walk on them ?

 

@Mallusken
the weather has been changeing for much more than 100 years. As Yago pointed out with the glaciers melting, this has certainly been happening more than 100 years. It takes 1000's of years for such a great mass of ice to melt, not just a mear 100.

 

Well then, ruler of the universe. You've just said that humans haven't done anything with the rising temperatures then, since we have been polluting only for the last 100-150 years .

 

No Mollusken, your twisting my words.

Not once there did i say that humans have had nothing to do with the rising temperture. I said that it has been happening more than 100 years, yes before humans started polluting, but i still think that humans have speed up a natraul rise in temp. to a completly unnatraul speed.

 

Might be a good time to invest in a houseboat.

 

What's unnatural? Mother nature itself is capable of changing the climate much faster or even completely destroy it much faster than we could ever hope to do.

 

Examples of that mollusken please!

 

Might be a while yet, aye Rastilin.

 

In Athens Greece we never and i mean never had so harsh changes of the weather as these last three years. We had all four seasons respectively meaning that spring was spring summer was summer winter was winter autumn was autumn. Now we have only two seasons harsh winter and summer nothing more the other two are gone these last three years.
I think that this is pretty unnatural and yes it is our fault i believe.

 

Exactly, here we have two seasos: harsh winters and HOT summers.

 

Well Mithrantir, I agree with you, these harsh conditions that are now spread right over the planet are caused by human. COMPLETLY UNNATURAL if you ask me.

How many other people think this is so?

 

Some scientists have theorized that it's about time for another ice age, in that case it would explain the differences in temperature.