Valygar the backstabber

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How can I get Valygar to backstab? I've tried everthing (I think). I used to get messages that a particular weapon couldn't be used (hmmm, or maybe that was with Yoshimo?), but I can't seem to get him to even try to backstab. Why would he have the skill if he can't use it?

 

The easiest way I found was to down a potion of invisibility and get behind them. Hiding in shadows, for me, always managed to fail just as I was getting into position. And you do have to have the right weapon; can't really backstab with a staff (not that I'm speaking from experience or anything).

 

You have to have the weapon equipped, hide in shadows (or use an invisibility potion), move Valygar behind the target, then click on the target (you should see the sword icon).
Common mistakes in backstabbing include:
1. Clicking on the weapon before backstabbing. This causes the character to leave shadows.
2. Leaving the AI on. This will often cause the character to leave shadows early and simply attack.

 

hMMM, it might be the 'clicking on weapon' issue. I'll try next chance I get.

-nope, that didn't do it. I was even equiped with a short sword of backstabbing and I didn't have a shield or another weapon.

Does anyone else have problems getting Valygar to backstab?

[ August 07, 2002, 16:56: Message edited by: Sandor the Irrelevant ]

 

were you able to get him to hide in shadows?
if not you might want to change his armor to a more suitable one.

 

Valygar can only use leather armor, which does not hinder backstabbing, so I fail to see how that would make a difference.

Isn't short sword of backstabbing thief only?

Are you able to backstab with thieves (Yoshimo?)? If not, then it's certainly a problem with your technique. If so, then we'll need to keep discussing this.

 

Are you still able to use his other class-specific skills?
If you committed some nasty deeds, he might have become a "fallen" ranger, thus unable to use his ranger skills (and that includes backstab).

Just an idea, cause I dunno whether NPCs may become "fallen" or not, as I suspect they'd leave the group rather than let it happen.

 

I can backstab with my thief, so it isn't technique. I'm using the shadow dragon armor (or was). I'm now using the white dragon armor. I'll keep trying different things.

 

Have you tried backstabbing with a katana? I make him use the Celestial Fury and he has no problems.

 

Actually, attacking causes you to leave shadows just as does clicking the weapon. Since the character stays hidden for several seconds when they are "leaving shadows" that should not be a problem.

 

Sol'Kanar,
If I am reading your post correctly, you are stating that clicking on the weapon and attacking are the same. They are NOT. If you click on the weapon, you leave shadows immediately. NO BACKSTAB. If you attack from shadows (not clicking on the weapon), you attack and then leave shadows, this results in a backstab.

[ August 09, 2002, 18:40: Message edited by: Jack Funk ]

 

No Jack, you are mistaken. I just got my thief to backstab even though I had to click on the weapon. It does say that he is leaving the shadows, but you still have time before he becomes visible and the backstab will still work.

I do have ToB installed and I do have the latest patch installed to best of my knowledge.

Is there anyway to get in touch with Bioware and ask them if this is a known problem?

 

Have you tried the official site? No? Click here . I don't know why can't you backstab, I just started a new game and Valygar can backstab just fine. Have you tried with a dagger yet? That is the most common backstabing weapon.

 

Sandor,
I apologize. My backstabs always fail when I click on the weapon first. Yes, the attack can be successful, but it does not get the backstab multiplier.

[ August 09, 2002, 18:41: Message edited by: Jack Funk ]

 

Really? That's not how it's worked for me. I had read your earlier post and so I wasn't expecting it to work, but it did. Odd, eh?

 

Just check if he is backstabbing with his own Corthala Blade Katana. This is only useable by him and thus not a "thief useable weapon". He can backstab with everthing else that a thief could backstab with. Yes it is very lame and the only way around this is to give him a different first hand weapon or visit the Baldurdash website to find the fix file that makes his blade "useable by thieves". Hope this helps.

 

Oddly enough the problem was fixed by kicking him out of my party and re-accepting him. How messed is that?

I now have a great way to kill any single person though - My mage/thief has 6x backstab multipltier and Valygar is 3 or 4. Anyway, they end up doing roughly the same amount of damage. 60-100ish each. A great one-two punch to start a fight.

Thanks for everyone's suggestions and help