Ultra Cheese?

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Ok, since there's the thread on cheating, I wanted to test something where all I did was modify kits and not even mess with stats. So, I started with a gnome M/T, then changed him to an an elf F/M/T, changing the kit as well from illusionist to mage slayer. Out of curiosity, I added the 'use any item'. Talk about stupidly overpowered vs. mages

 

I have said previously that SK is one evil toy which lead us to ultimate cheese and corruption!

So, basically, he has gnome saving throw bonuses, is a F/M/T with Wizard Slayer kit? Does all work normally? I really doubt that.

 

That is not cheese...that is cheATING..

Starts the same but...

 

But the purpose is still the same.

 

He had Cheese in the Topic which put me off...

 

Ofcourse you are right, but it all comes down to what each individual player sees as 'cheese' or 'cheating'. Or some may think they are both same.

 

Altering the programming of the game is cheating. Using things found in the 'normal' game is cheese.

 

^That is a fine description if any. So don't get ashamed of yourself Tony, you are not a stinking cheeser, you are only a little cheater! Rejoice!

 

Cheese is doing the thing wrong, cheating is doing the wrong thing.

 

^That is enlightening too, you are indeed wise!

So, which is bad, cheese, or cheat?

I think, so long you have your fun with the game (this is the object of the game right? Having fun!), it matters not. Heck, it is your game, you can do anything, and as long as you have fun, and do not feel guilty about it, it should be OK IMHO.

 

IMO, cheating is bad, which is why I don't use programs like SK or GK to 'enhance' my game.

 

If you use mods, then you are cheating (by your definition). 'Specially since most mods use SK at one point or the other.

 

A debate that has been around for ages: Where is the border between cheese and cheating?

According to The Hero's Guide to A Successful Adventure :

Staying in the game rules and bending these rules means cheese. Using an extra editor like SK or enabling debug mode in baldur.ini means cheating.

Which is good, the sun or the moon? It depends on whom you're asking to. A vampire and a priest of Lathander may give you diferent answers.

 

I don't game enough I had no idea there was an actual distenction between cheese and cheat! I learned somethin

 

While cheese is inherently bad as it's a violation of the rules, cheating is not necessarily bad. Granted most of the time it is, but cheating in an effort to "un-cheese" is a good thing.

TT's example, however, falls under the bad cheating. But who cares? So long as it makes your game more fun for you, the ends justify the means. (I, however, reserve the right to deride you for such flagrant disregard of the 2e rules. )