Uday "Little Sadam"

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I found an interesting article on Saddam's son Uday....from SPORTS ILLISTRATED of all places.

I thought that some of you might like to read it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/news/2003/03/24/son_of_saddam/

 

Llandon,

This is pretty typical of the "Hussein" dictatorship. There are a lot more stories out there about Uday, but the left discounts them as unverified.

Don't expect to get too much of a reaction to this thread, most of the active participants on this forum are either euro or under the age of 25, so they tend to have liberal/socialist leanings. At least many of the youth will eventually realize the error of their beliefs.

I don't believe every story to come out about the brutality of the Iraqi regime, but where there is smoke, there is usually fire, and there is a lot of smoke here.

I do like to read all the threads out there about how President Bush is more evil than Saddam though, it just goes to prove that Barnum was right.

 

There has, not even among leftist europeans, a slight doubt that Saddam and his clan were a bunch of butchers. I even remember that Saddam forced one of his sons to kill an iraqi minister in a conference to introduce him to how to rule daddy's way. But even though I'd like to see Saddam fall, I see the way planned atm as a premature one.

And Darkwolf, where there is smoke not necessarily is fire, somtimes a smoke generator does the job just as well

 

Saddam is evil therefore Bush is..........?

Fill in the blank.

 

You don't need a smoke generator unless you have something to hide!

 

Darkwolf, age and location have nothing to do with one's beliefs. Talk about prejudice.

 

Darkwolf, exactly:

All I wanted to stress is that Saddam and his bloody clan beeing bloody butchers is well known for quite a while. I mean they didn't just find that out over the last year. The reason why they promote exactly that right now can only be to gain war support.
Some people use smoke not so much because they have to hide something (war is a bloody business civvies don't have the stomachs to watch) but because they like to keep people in the fog as they are easier to handle then. In the fog they are thankful for careful guidance. The US fear that they could loose public support in the US; you see the consequences of it beeing lost here in europe.

[ March 26, 2003, 17:19: Message edited by: Ragusa ]

 

Uytuun,

Speaking in idividual terms, you are correct, however speaking in general terms, age and geographic location have immense effects on beliefs.

There is nothing prejudiced about that statement, it is a just a fact. Sorry if it offends you.

 

@Ragusa: Darkwolf obiously doesn't believe in propaganda or manipulation coming from "his" side. Right-wing politicians aren't capable of telling lies. If it must not be true, it cannot be true.

@ Darkwolf: Would it bother you to post a statistic source to your "fact"?

 

I find it amazing (and depressing) what people can do to each other. I don't think anyone is descussing that fact, but if you were Saddam's kid, what would make your father proud?

 

Fabuis,

I am well aware of the fact that the US is using propaganda. It is virtually impossible to not use it in today's world. There is a difference between putting a spin on a story, exagerating some parts of it, and minimizing others, and the outright lies that are coming out of Baghdad. You seem to think that every word that comes out of the US gov't is a lie, and that is not true.

And no, I will not go hunt down statistical backup for this. If you don't believe that age and geographical location effect beliefs, then you would attack the validity of a statistical data I was to post.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Benjamin Disraeli

 

I thought Mark Twain said that. Makes the quote a tad more respectable, I suppose.

 

I thought it was Sam Clemens as well, but http://www.clickz.com/design/freefee/article.php/1445011 says it was Disraeli's.

By the way what is wrong with Sam? I think he is a great guy, but then since I am related to him I guess I would.

 

No one expecting anyone to take any heed from the garbage coming out of Bagdad, that stuff is even worse than what comes out from Washington DC.

Plenty of other sources and even though many of them may have some agendas their non-involvement in the current war makes them slightly more reliable. That do not by any means mean that they are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but their motives isnt by far as strong as Bagdad's or Washington's to tell things from a very favourable angle for them and they just might be a bit more neutral and unbiased.

 

You know, a source as credible as "Maxim" had an article on Saddam, Uday and Qusay(sic). I don't believe everything I hear about the Iraqi regime, but I've heard enough to make me believe they need replacing. Of course, I've read some things about the Pakistani government and the House of Saud that leads me to want to replace them, too, but one step at a time . . .

I know they're U.S. allies, so they'll be able to get away with whatever human rights abuses they want. But as I said before, I'd rather get rid of 1 / 100 evil torturing slimeballs than none at all.

 

Considering Saddam meanness there really is not any need for any more info, as Ragusa said, Saddam Hussein's wicked ways has been known for 20 years. I know that I as a little toddler heard stories about nasty Saddam and his bad bad war on Iran. So basicly anyone telling Saddam is bad is preaching for the choir if they speak anywhere outside of the middle-east.

 

Darkwolf: Don't say that it's a fact if you can't prove it.

I am a little bit surprised of your agreement. In the other thread you made the impression that you trust your government without doubt.

And I never said that all the US-governement is telling lies only. I said that trusting anything any governement is saying is a mistake and that you should allways asking questions.
There's a difference, you know?

Btw: It is rather impolite to cut off a discussion. If you want to stop it, say it. But please don't let people hang in the air like you did with Ragusa and me. Thanks.

 

Fabius,

This is off topic, but I will give you a response, since you seem to get offended and believe that I am cutting off a discussion if I don't.

Why is Christianity the predominant religion of the West? Why is Islam in the Middle East? Because of the regions of the world they are in. Sure, it is a causality of their history, but then just about everything is. Why does the US believe that it is acting in a justifiable manner in Iraq, but Europe does not, again regional beliefs.

Why are the predominant numbers of participants in risky behavior such as bungee jumping, skydiving, waging war, and stop light racing all young? Because youth believes that it is invincible, and immortal. As most people age, their beliefs become less radical. This shapes many other beliefs of young people. Unfortunately they don't realize it until they are older.

These are generalizations, I admit that there are exceptions.

As far as me cutting off a discussion, I do not have the power to do that here. I am not an Admin, and it is beyond my ability to stop anyone from discussing anything they wish. If you are offended that I chose not to respond to you, I am sorry. Perhaps instead of being offended you should assume that I felt I had nothing further to argue, and you are even welcome to believe that you won the discussion. I am very diligently attempting to stop being confrontational, and in some cases I now choosing to bite my tongue rather than respond.

Now that I have carried the post even further off topic, I ask that we either start a new thread for this discussion, though I may choose not to participate, or take it to PMs. Thank you.

 

@ Darkwolf: Sorry, if I were to aggressive, but everytime anyone doesn't answer my postings, I feel that my opinion is not accepted. In a chat from eye to eye I can see that the other person is not interested in a further discussion. On the net it's a little more difficult.

As for the matter of political opinion and age I'm still not convinced. But we should let it lie.