U.S. Weapons Inspector: Iraq Had No WMD

Well there are still people who claims that much WMD has been found in Iraq, not here though.

I do find it a bit odd that so many are so forgiving over that and buys the explanations given all out. It is not like there was a lacking of intel and people who claimed this before the invasion. So blaming it on an intel failure doesnt seem to cut it.

However the switching of the objectives to liberation from WMD hunt and the complete and utter impact it have had on the American people is rather impressive. The administrations propagande machine did a very succesful job there, one cannot be otherwise than impressed. One might even think that it was prepared beforehand (<- just got that thought ).

 

Okay, Tal, we get the point. You hate Bush and think he lied about this and that.

Oh well, no WMD. They've botched up the liberation - considering they didn't want to be liberated it is kind'a impossible. But at least Saddam - an obvious tyrant who most probably WOULD aquire WMD or if not him his heir (see: eldest son) - and his dynasty has been removed from power. I doubt anyone could honestly say that Saddam and his sons weren't going to cause one hell of alot of trouble in the future.

 

However the African nations don't pose a threat to anyone but themselves. Most don't have enough money to invest in WMD. Congress wouldn't accept sending troops into any country unless there was a percieved or (at least now it seems) potential threat.

However the intel was constantly refused permission to inspect Iraq for weapons until the UN demanded it. The presence of any dely often means someone has someting to hide and Iraq wasn't exactly co-operating with the searchers. To call a leader a fool because his intel was inccorect is in itself foolish. How many layers do you want in that department? You'd be approaching something along the lines of SS or NKVD if you had people monitoring the people monitoring the intelligence. I'm certain you don't want a country where organisations such as that exist everywhere because that's where the power will end up.

 

Well, I can, undoubtly, say that Saddam and his sons were not going to cause a lot of trouble in the future. Not compared to Israel, not compared to USA.

 

Was it bad intel, or weak intel spun to support what Bush wanted to do all along? Call me a conspiracy theorist, but my gut feeling (and therefore completely unsupportable by a long string of well-substantiated references) is that the invasion of Iraq has been a goal of the whole Bush clan for a long, long time and they weren't about to let a golden opportunity pass by for something as lame as the TRUTH.

Too bad all this is going to get lost in the meaningless fog of crap swirling around each candidate's former military service. Also, the next time Bush accuses Kerry of filp-flopping, someone should ask him about this:

fast-forward...

 

Now, I'm no Bush fan, but this simply isn't true. The fact is, there's no need for anyone to "check up on" the U.S. WMD program, because everything we do with WMD (mostly their destruction over the past 10 years or so, and continuing for another 10 years or so) is part of the public record. Any U.S. citizen can access where we have our WMD, how much we have, what type, etc. Now, you can't go in with a video camera and start filming the interior of the facility, but you can request video tapes of what types of weapons are inside, and all of the destruction missions are taped as well.

Another interesting thing is that most of Europe is getting rid of thier WMD stockpiles as well, using - you guessed it - U.S. developed technology. So it's really not fair to say the U.S. wouldn't want people snooping around, because they make no pretense to hide what they have in the first place. They are destroying their WMD stockpile and sharing their successful technologoies with Europe (for free I might add) so that they can do the same.

 

Bush: “Here ya go, Germany – technology to destroy your WMD’s. And its FREE!”
Germany: “Um, OK, but are you destroying your WMD’s too?”
Bush: “Sure we are. And we have the video to prove it.” *snicker*
Bush (whispers to an aide): “You’re sure that video editting software works properly, right?”
Aide: “Oh yeah, Chief, no problem-o!”
Germany: “Well OK then, I guess we’ll start destroying ours.”
Bush (quietly imitating Bart Simpson): “Suck-er!”

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

 

Um...destorying their WMD... right... Forgive me, but isnt Bush trying to CREATE WMD? you know the ones... the mini-nukes, or bunker busters. Oh wait...they're mini. Sorry, almost mistook a mini-nuke for WMD there.

 

@ Takara

I should have been more specific. There was a Chemical Weapons Convention held somewhere around 1997 in which over 200 countries signed on to destroy all their stockpiles of chemical weapons. Of interest here, even though over 200 signed, Iraq was NOT one of them. Many European countries as well as the U.S. had not used chemical weapons for years, but had large amounts held in storage - many as old as WWI era chemical weapons. The U.S. had by far the most chemical weapons and therefore they were the ones who have spent the most in figuring out what to do with the stuff.

All I can tell you is this: The U.S. and nearly all of the world signed on to detroy their chemical weapons. The U.S. and the majority of European countries have also agreed to do this with their biological agents. However, AFAIK, no one is dismantling thier nuclear weapons programs. I'm not in the development side of the house, so I don't know anything about the mini-nukes.

 

Try Fahrenheit 200.000.000 ° to learn some more about the Bush administration's determination to ... pummel on treaties and to cut back inspections.

That is actually what they refused - inspections to verify the US staying to the Biological Weapons Convention and the Fissile Material Cut-Off Treaty. The Bush administration is openly hostile to any form of arms control treaties, while demanding them for the 'rogue states".

The US seriously tell Iran that they have to allow inspections while developing new nukes of their own and refuse inspections. Sure thing.

And besides, even in the US not everything is done on the record, there were some goodies like ... oops ... unaccounted for anthrax or the stuff that was found on a former US bioweapons research site in virginia (can't retrieve the link atm) - the sort of thing that would bring you into trouble when inspections occur. Saddam could tell you a thing or two on that.

[ September 18, 2004, 14:40: Message edited by: Ragusa ]

 

Hmm, didn't know the rules, and now that I do, I must say, they are pretty dumb. Hope that a system failure make all USA's nukes haywire and just vaporize, not killing anyone, but removing any proof that the USA ever had nukes, including all science reports. Because of that, the USA will never be allowed to develop nukes, and if they even have some small clue that they try to, we bomb them.

 

Is there a link for this NPT that will explain the sanity in saying 'We can have these and you cannot'?

I would like to understand the logic behind this.

 

Yup, very idiotic of them.
Not the biggest patriot in the world, you see.