two dwarven beserkers

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Or battleragers if you prefer that term for dwarves. I have my PC as a dwarven beserker and Korgan in my party. I need suggestions as to second proficiencies for both of them. Korgan comes with 5 stars in axes, and I gave my PC five stars in flails at the start of the game. What would you recommend for the other weapon class for each of them? Korgan has one star in war hammers, so I suppose that's a possibility, but I can really go any direction. Obviously, I'm asking about single handed weapons here, as I already have a proficiency for both my PC and Korgan in a one-handed weapon. Even if I didn't, it's difficult to roleplay a dwarf weilding a large weapon like a two handed sword or a halberd. I even have difficulty thinking of a dwarf wielding a sword of any kind actually, but given that I also have clerics in my party, it doesn't make sense to give them proficiencies in something like clubs or maces. Your thoughts?

 

I'd go ahead and pump Korgan's Hammers. Once you have Crom Faeyr (and much later the Runehammer) he will be a killing machine. For the PC, I'd just go with something like Long Swords. This will give a good mix of damage types (Blunt from flail, slashing from sword). There are PLENTY of good Long Swords in the game. And one you get to ToB, you've got the Angurvadal waiting for you. Once upgraded, it gives permanent STR 22 and immunity to level drain. GREAT off-hand weapon if dual weilding.

Those are my suggestions.

 

1. Hammers. Horribly recommended.
2. Something ranged. Sling perhaps. There is a Sling in the game which adds Strength bonus to damage.
3. Something slashing. Don't use too many proficiency points for it though.

 

Warhammer is the way to go, and try to get points into dual wielding. A berserking dwarf wielding Crom Fayr and the fully upgraded flail of ages is a terrible sight indead! :>

 

Hmmm... I like the idea of Axe of the Unyielding and Crom Faeyr. Possibly Angurvadal and Flail of the Ages for the PC. Although I admit, getting Flail of the Ages with Crom Faeyr is a sight to behold.

As far as ranger, I'll stick to the throwing axes or the hammer, Dwarven Thrower. As a beserker, I can only get one point in slings anyway.

EDIT: I meant ranged, not ranger.

[ February 09, 2004, 22:21: Message edited by: Aldeth the Foppish Idiot ]

 

Axe of Unyielding, especially the +5. Powerful. And I am going to tell a cheat (unfortunate developer blunder). It is not a bug in the normal meaning of the word. I suppose we all know this but I tell it anyway. You can pause the game and click to the Axe (which is in Quick item slot) as many times as you wish. As we know, it gives bonus to Constitution. When you get a bonus to constitution, your maximum HP becomes greater. When you lose a point, your actual HP will not change. So if you are damaged, this will heal you, because when you get the bonus point again, it will not take the HP you have gained during the previous constitution loss! I never use it. It is cheat. Using this trick, you can totally heal a character while the game is paused.

 

@ Baronius: The same can be done by pausing the game and repeatedly equip and un-equip the Obsidian Ioun Stone (Which is a lot easier to get and can be used by all)

On topic @ Aldeth: If you are roleplaying, which I suppose you are, why not daggers for <Charname>? I can see a dwarf using one, and there is a few decent ones in the game.

 

Yes but you have to put the Stone on and off all the time
And by the way, he asked for advice and the trick is good for warriors who you use that axe so it's not off-topic actually.

Have you adviced the daggers for fun/feeling ? Actually there are very few good daggers in ToB, the one which makes you invisible after each successful hit needs to do many areas to be assembled. I may misinterpret something though.
Perhaps you meant the Dagger of <Charname>, which can be created in Planar Sphere by your apprentices?

 

Well, I'm not going to get the Dagger of Charname, because I'm a dwarven beserker, not a mage, so I assume he couldn't have meant that. No, roleplaying wise, I can't see it. Holding a great big FoA in one hand, and a wimpy dagger in the other. I'd stick to a shield before doing that. Besdies, the only worth while dagger you don't get until underdark from Quile (if you do that subquest) and that's a while off yet.

 

Well, there's the Boneblade +4, the Firetooth, and all you need for Dagger of the Star is to beat a wimpy Demilich and 5 Star Sapphires, which you easily have by the end of SoA. Well, if you don't think it's a good idea, then I'll shut up.

 

Well, the Stiletto of Demarchess is a decent enough dagger you can get relatively early in SoA.

I thought you needed Liquid Mercury for the Dagger of the Star. I thought the star sapphires was for the Storm Star Mace. Course, I'm probably wrong, since I don't really ever use either of those weapons.

Regardless, I don't really use daggers myself. For a Battlerager, I would look more to axes and swords. But, that's just me.

 

The Dwarven Thrower(DT) is a hammer right?
With a good mix of ranged and Melee, get the PC to use a sword and shield proficiency, plus a good shield. Then, armed with the DT, it will give an awesome versatility to the PC, or Korgan for that matter.
Well, the +3 enchantment for the DT will only make it good in SoA and the Beginning of ToB I guess, but it is a good weapon. IMHO...

[ February 10, 2004, 10:53: Message edited by: Zephyr Angel ]

 

heh, well with this talk, I've just thought of dual wielding dwarven thrower with crom, or with firetooth, it's look so funny, and be so effective!! You can actually use rifthome as well, then +3 axe that returns when thrown. For the PC I'd get the dagger prof and the slots in dual wielding and go flail + firetooth, cuz it would be original and fun! With Korgan the Crom Faeyr and DT or Rifthome would be pretty cool, chucks a hammer at ya then nails you with another!!

 

@ omingodly: But i thought you cannot dual wield a throwing weapon? Ahh, whatever...

Yeah, Rifthome would be an excellent choice I say. And there would be no better fun than to see two dwarves gutting an orc, or elvish archer for that matter...

 

Heh I can't remember if you can or cannot, but still.. it's an interesting idea no? (anyone wanna make a mod? hahaha).

 

Unfortunately, you cannot dual-wield a thrown weapon. Obviously, you can't dual wield two, but you can't even use a thrown weapon in one hand and a melee in another. I usually have the thrown weapon in my quick item slot, and yes, it's a whole lot easier if you are using a shield to switch to the thrown weapon (as you can use a thrown weapon with a shield.

 

There is a Throwing Hammer in Trademeet which comes back to user, usable only by Dwarves. You can buy it from a merchant. As far as I remember, it's not a bad weapon. You might want to buy it for your berserker.

 

Yep. Already got it. It's called Dwarven Thrower (as opposed to the elf invention Dwarf Thrower) I knew I would use it regardless of who eventually got good at war hammers, so it was a pre-emptive purchase if you will...

 

As far as I remember, it has some bonus(es) against Giants or Ogres... It is a good weapon. The throwing axe (K'logarath +4) which can be bought from the leader of the smugglers in Amkethran is better though, so it should replace the Dwarven Thrower at that part of the game. So a few Axe proficiency points would do good as well.

 

Korgan begins with 5 in axe

And yea, it would be better, but in the end, they become secondary to the higher damage +5 rune hammer