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You have lax gun laws and a gun culture, then y ou get mad psycho's shooting places up. Sort it out America, stamp this kind of crap out!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5404144.stm

 

The White House is listening to you, Barmy. I expect everything will be sorted out soon. They're hosting a conference about it, after all. Well, planning to host one anyway.

 

theyll host it, but they wont do anything

 

Barmy, Presidential Advisor. What a job!

 

I feel safer already!

 

I'm glad you find the murder and rape of innocent young girls so risible, personally it makes me sick to the stomach, but hey, we're all different...

 

It'll never happen, America will never take out the right to bear arms or arm bears or whatever in the constitution because too many people would oppose it due to it being 'unconstitutional'... whatever that means but it's reason enough to not change the constitution.

Till they do sort this mess out they should get used to holding funerals for children gunned down at schools, or make schools into forts... So three choices and I bet they'll take the 'fort' option.

 

Not quite. People oppose changing the laws because it's unconstitutional, and oppose changing the Constitution because...well, just because.

And apparently your 'fort' cynicism is well-founded. I just heard on one of those "Tonight at six" prenews things that someone's proposed making it legal for the teachers to carry guns in schools. Yeah, that's a great idea.

 

if i remember correctly, its not constitutional for any american to bare arms.

the amendment states something along the lines of "it is the right bare arms as part of an organised malitia"

 

Well, I guess they would be right to call it unconstitutional, as it is part of the 2nd Amendment. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." From my understanding it was as a reaction after the British attempted to disarm the colonialists during the American Revolution. The exact meaning can be debated. Does it refer to individuals rights to own weapons, or does it refer to the states rights to form an armed milita? Just reading through the wikipedia article on the 2nd Amendment, it says that a court has ruled (back in 1840 (Aymette v. State), that the phrasing 'to bear arms' was refering to a military sense.

 

They are starting to ban the Harry Potter books in schools over there though. I guess that will go a long way to fix things.................

 

Yep, and no ankles can show either!

No, but seriously, the contstitution doesn't say that civilians can have arms unless they are part of a standing militia. But no government would dare change the law because the NRA is one of the biggest lobbyists there is. Would you stop taking bribes to change a law that would save even a few lives? If you're humane, yes, but if you're human, no. Or rather, if you're a corrupt person in power, no way in hell.

We need stricter laws on guns and ammunition (Chris Rock's theory is a good one - make every bullet cost five thousand dollars. Then no one would shoot anybody ). Make guns only legal for hunting, and the tests to get permits for either extremely challenging. Both mental and physical tests should be made. Ban the selling of most handguns and semi-auto or fully automatic weapons.

It would probably reduce at least some violence.

And to help prove Barmy's Point:

Yeah, thats 1998, but in 2003, there were 11,920 homicides, more than in 1998. And there were 30,136 gun deaths total.

Source: http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

Note: There are other sources, but this had a pretty well put together list. The same information about the 2003 deaths can be found at the NRA website: http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/phil.html

 

It is truly sad. Today we got a notice from Little Snook's school that they are going to practice "lock down" drills. To me that seems like the stupidest thing in the world. If they had any brains and courage the policy should change that all teachers should be armed.

I may be misinformed, but these types of things always seem to happen in "gun fearing" parts of the country. You never hear about it in Texas.

As an aside, I don't believe it is fair to blame the actions of these sickos on the guns themselves. The case in PA involves a pedophile, not a gun-nut.

 

Yeah, but he could have ended as just a pedophile, not a pedophilic murderer. If he couldn't have access to guns, it would have been more difficult for him to do what he did. Although, reading about it, he seemed pretty obsessed with his actions, and I think he would have found a way no matter what.

But perhaps if he had tried to get guns and there was a gun-awareness program (anyone without a license trying to buy a gun is tagged and tracked)...

 

You've GOT to be joking, surely.

 

Sadly, I doubt that he is joking. (There's a bigger issue here regarding weaponry escalation, but that's probably better left for another topic.)

 

Making teachers carry guns has got to be the craziest idea I have EVER heard on these Boards. And there have been some crazy ideas spouted here over the years. There's no way in this galaxy that I would ever send my children to a school where the teachers were armed.

 

Use common sense here. How many nutcase teachers have you met? I've met far too many. If we allow teachers to have guns in schools we will have far more dead children and teachers.

If the cities want to spend additional funds on police, put a police officer or two in every school. Have those police officers trained in securing a school (lockdown). That is much safer than teachers with guns.

I'm afraid we will have a knee jerk reaction to a horrific event followed by a psycho copycat. The real solution is to reduce the number of guns available, not put them in the schools (unfortunately the former will never happen).

 

I'm with Snook, except for the armed teachers.

The gun did not kill these kids it was the psycho who killed the kids. Yes, the gun made it easier, but how hard would it be to acquire a gun if they were outlawed...I would be willing to bet not very. If I'm not mistaken, fully automatic rifles are illegal but they seem to pop up from time to time in the hands of some idiot or another. Instead of armed teachers there should be armed guards on the payroll of every school. I had them at my highschool 15 years ago, I'm surprised that it is not more common now.

It's unrealistic to think that guns will ever be banned here in the U.S.