President Nancy Pelosi

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T2Bruno dangled some bait, and I'm giving everyone a chance to strike at the hook. What do the board members here have to say about Nancy Pelosi? Would she be a good interim President if the rest of the people in front of her were unable? Is she a good leader of the House? Have at it, my friends!

 

From what little I have seen of her she seems with the standards of American politics somewhat reasonable. Gives off a bit of "evil stepmother" vibes though.

 

She would be w-a-y better than what's there now. But that ain't sayin' much!

 

I have to say I'd rather she didn't become the US president. She's another Kerry, basically. This is moot since she most likely won't become president. By most likely, I means almost with almost complete certainty.

 

How so?

 

Another fence sitter claiming contradictory beliefs. It's been done, it's old.

 

I will die laughing if Saint Cindy Sheehan actually knocks her out of Congress in 2008.

 

Ahh! The Republican propaganda about "flip-floppers." I did not think that anyone actually belived that stuff these days - not even the Republicans.

 

Certainly he didn't even have to believe. It was apparent to the naked eye how Kerry claimed to be Catholic for the conservative vote and opposed most of what the Catholic morality taught at the same time for the liberal vote. So you're correct on that one: there's no faith needed, it's a matter of obvious facts. Pelosi continues the same tradition.

 

Hey Chev - could you describe the forest to me? I know it may be difficult, what with all those trees in the way.

 

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Really? So, what you're saying is that the 50% of American Catholics out there who happen to be pro-choice even though they personally feel abortion is wrong and wouldn't get one themselves* or who believe that seperation of church and state means that gay marriage should be legalized** are actually only saying they are catholic for political gain? Get serious. The United States has elected exactly one catholic president.....and he was assassinated. If Pelosi, Kerry, Giuliani, etc wanted to follow a religion for political gain they would have chosen to be Methodists, Presbyterians, Baptists....anything but Catholic.

* Some interesting statistics. A Times poll found 70 percent of Catholics think the church should not try to influence the way they vote or tell Catholic candidates what stances to take. Seventy-three percent said Kerry and other pro-choice Catholics should not be denied communion, and 83 percent said the bishops’ stance (that pro-choice catholics should be denied communion) will not change how they vote.

** A stance that neither Kerry nor Pelosi takes. While they support gay civil unions, neither is interested in trying to legalize gay marriage.

[ July 26, 2007, 19:58: Message edited by: Drew ]

 

Chev,

I do not know if your "?" reply was because you didn't understand what DR was saying, or you understood full well what he was saying and just didn't feel like his comment applied to you.

Assuming the former, DR is modifying the common cliche of "can't see the forest for the trees". Since you're not a native English speaker, it is possible you just never heard of it. What the expression basically means is someone who is too involved in the details of a problem to look at the situation as a whole. To put it another way, instead of concluding that you're standing in a forest because you're surrounded by trees, you say you can't be sure you're in the forest because all of these trees are blocking your view of where you are. Hope that makes a bit more sense now.

 

I'm not really sure what "Catholic morality" you are referring to. While it is true that the Catholic Church is under a lot of scrutiny here in the US because of the Catholic Church hierarchy's defense of a number of criminal priests, I don't think that it really played a major role in the 2004 election. Anything other than good ole' Protestants just are not elected to the presidency, especially by the "conservative" establishment. The last (and only) Catholic president was JFK, a self-proclaimed "liberal" and Democrat.

 

Wait, was Clinton a Protestant?

 

Specifically a Baptist, but that is a type of Protestant religion. Remember that there are really only three major types of Christianity - Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. All of the Episcopals, Baptists, Calvinists, Anglican, Lutherans, etc. fall under the Protestant umbrella.

And, as CtR states, JFK was the only Catholic president the nation has ever had.

 

I thought he was a Catholic, for whatever reason.

 

If she has any hopes of ever running for President she is going to have to be able to hold onto her seat in Congress.
Pelosi vs. Sheehan

As a conservative I now know the fear that liberals have had with the religious right increasing their influence on the GOP. I may be incorrect, but I believe that Pelosi has always been considered very liberal. If she turns out to not be liberal enough and loses then I fear how far to the left the Democratic party is swinging.

I don't believe a party can survive if it lets the fringe groups take over.

 

Snook: The dems are not swinging further to the left. They have actually been moving closer and closer to the center. It's the GOP who's been swinging (to the right). If you take a look at the Conservative and liberal stances of the late seventies and the early eighties, you'll notice that Reagan was considered an extremist by his own party....even though he now "epitomizes" conservative values. On balance, Presidents Nixon and Ford actually had a more liberal economic policy than Jimmy Carter or even the "mega-liberal" Bill Clinton (Regardless of what he said, if you look at what Bill did, you'll notice that he was actually a moderate). You'll not only notice that the republicans were much closer to the center in the late seventies and early eighties, but that the democrats were much further to the left than they are now. In the late seventies, a man with Joseph Lieberman's stances would have never been considered a democrat. Now, such right-leaning democrats are common (while Lieberman lost his party's primary recently, he still lists himself as an "independent democrat").

 

The Republicans have...