POLL: Gay Marriage and Homosexuality

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I know there may have been others like this, but..

I want to know what people think about gay marriage and homosexuality.

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This poll contains 1 question(s). 43 user(s) have voted.
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Poll Results: Gay Marriage and Homosexuality (43 votes.)

Gay Marriage and Homosexuality (Choose 1)
* I encourage people to, and think that people should do what they want. - 51% (22)
* I don't really care. - 28% (12)
* I don't think gay people should be able to get married or have relationships. - 21% (9)

 

Only a couple per month, don't worry.

If you want my opinion, here it goes:

Homosexuality is an objective disorder in a person's sexual drive, causing him or her to feel attracted sexually to the same sex. The term is vague, various meanings ranging from attraction alone to sexual activities or even lifestyle. To be more precise, I prefer to speak about same sex attraction here.

Attraction alone is morally neutral, what's right or wrong is the way in which it's handled... or acquired. I mention acquired because I don't believe in the genetic theories. I think it may partly come down to personality defects and partly to environmental factors such as previous sexual experience.

Here I would like to make difference between people who love people of the same gender, whose love takes physical forms, and who act on the sexual attraction too; and people who simply seek new experience, giving themselves away to all sorts of sexual perversion. Neither is the right thing to do, but there is definitely some difference.

As for gay marriage, I'm opposed. I am not going to fight people because of that and I'd rather not tell them what to do with such an intimate aspect of human life, but a homosexual union is not a marriage. Regardless of the name, I will never be supportive of a homosexual union, at least not as anything more than a misguided friendship. Needless to say, I'm also opposed to homosexual adoption.

Next, I believe that homosexuality should stop being classified as an alternative orientation. There is no such thing as an alternative orientation: there are disorders and disorders need to be treated. Those people need help, not affirmation in their illness.

Further next, there is quite a lot of disinformation and various unproductive moods in the society. If you're male, you often can't even hug a male friend or you're labelled gay. Or you even feel like one for doing it. Back in the past, even in societies where homosexuality wasn't regarded as normal, friends were friends and there was nothing wrong loving your friends and hugging (sometimes even kissing) your friends, even if they were of the same gender (probably even more so than if they had been of the opposite gender, for a variety of prudential reasons). Something is a bit awkward here. For example, between my friends, it's normal to kiss on the cheek between the genders, between females too, but never two guys. Same goes for hugging and other such. It isn't sexual, or cross-gender friends wouldn't be doing it, so it theoretically should be no problem for two guys, but... no one does that. You would sooner see a male and female who are just friends kissing straight on the mouth, than two guys kissing on the cheek. So yeah, there's something strange in how guys have been scared out of displaying friendly affection.

 

Homosexuality is completely okay and I encourage those who are gay to be so openly and not live in a closet through their entire life. I don't find it to be a disorder nor do I find it to be a curable disease, it is something different from the standard yes but it's not harmful in any way towards anyone. I also fully support gay right for marriage and consider it to be pretty much a human right for two adults who love each other to marry each other no matter what their genders might be.

It's unfortunate that religious dogma and prejudice are still very dominant in most societies and homosexuality is not completely accepted anywhere as far as I know. The situation is improving though and I believe firmly that love and freedom will prevail in the end.

 

The poll should, imho, have been divided in two sub polls: Thoughts on marriage, thoughts on homosexuality...

I would say that people ought to do what is right for them. I don't know whether I would support chevs argument that homosexuality is a disorder. Gays might fall out of what one would call a normal life pattern, but so do I in some ways.
I do not encourage homosexuality, and I'm against such things as gay parade based on the foundation that ones sexual tendencies is ones private thing. I don't go out and wave my willie around shouting "I'm straight" to everyone who cares to listen, neither should gays!

When it comes to the question whether I support gay marriages, I would say yes and no.
Gay marriages performed in a Town Hall, signing a contract saying 'you're now husband and husband', yes. Gay marriages in churches; no.
As well as we should respect gay peoples right to be gays, we should also respect that most Christians do not believe in gay marriages as being acceptable.

That said; I voted for option #1, but I'm split somewhere between #1 and #2, but I do somewhat care.

 

I am against. The Church has only one responsability, which is to maintain itself faithful to it's principles, values and morality. It should never be hostage to "its times" or socio-political pressures from socialists.
Whoever is not satisfied with the position of the Church, is free to move out to a different faith that goes hand-in-hand to their own beliefs.
That said, homossexualism is biologically proved as a disfunction.

 

I am happy for the "Church" to be against homosexuality so long as they don't expect people who are not part of the "Church" to abide by that stance.

 

@ HB

Unfortunately, that is impossible in practice.

 

Sure. After all, the State and the Church have been separated for quite a bit, huh?
By the way, I hope you realise the Church stance includes marriage as well, at least the religious one. Civil marriage is up to the State to decide.

 

We tend to over simply sexuality. It is complicated. Some people are attracted to the opposite gender and some to the same gender. Some to both. Afaik no one has come up with a simple answer as to why this is so and I don't think they ever will.

As to homosexual marriage I would prefer the term 'civil union'. Thus giving committed couples protection.

Controlling one's sexuality and repressing it are not the same thing.

 

I really think that gays and everyone should be able to love and marry anyone they want. Homosexuality, Imo, is NOT a disorder. You are born that way. Who ever said that God made us to only like the opposite sex? NO ONE knows the real truth.

 

@EI: Even if someone is born in such a way (and I don't think this is the case with homosexuality), it still doesn't mean it isn't a disorder. There are acquired disorders and there are innate ones. Doesn't make the innate ones normal.

As for love, I think God made us to like and love both genders. There is nothing wrong loving someone. Problem is when a person is sexually attracted to his own gender in such a strong way as to act on it.

 

This opens up a can of worms. If you are able to marry and love anyone you want... then incest paedophilia, etc etc all becomes ok as long as both parties consent. After all they are born that way. Where do we draw the line, and who draws it?

 

Although i don't agree with incest, I don't think it should be outlawed. And is homosexuality is JUST a disorder, then people who have other disorders cannot get married? Such as Down-syndrome..

 

Society in general seems to agree that children should be protected. Children have limited consent and are influenced by the adults in their life. What happens between consenting adults is a different matter. Incest is frowned upon because of the genetic problems which can be passed to offspring.

 

Again, where do we draw the line, and who draws it? *shrugs* I wouldn't want to be the one making the decision. It's a whole can of worms.

[ September 12, 2005, 01:50: Message edited by: Tassadar ]

 

I...
/me reads Nakia's posts
...umm, what she said.

 

Dear God, not again!

I believe that...

- gay civil unions should be available through and protected by secular law;

- religious organisations should be free to decide whether or not they will perform marriage ceremonies for homosexual couples, free of lobbying or interference;

- what people do in their private life really shouldn't be a big issue for anyone else unless it directly affects them; and

- gay pride parades are somewhat annoying, occasionally offensive, and that people can celebrate in a less garish, outlandish and "in-your-face" way, since there are sections of the community who are deeply offended and indeed targeted for humiliation by some such activities (in other words, tone it down)

I voted #1, even though I probably don't care enough to be that supportive. Do what you feel you must, just don't hurt anyone else. I don't have many gay or bisexual friends, I find the whole concept of homosexual activity a bit stomach-turning, but it's not affecting my life, at all.

 

I see some good arguments were made. It is, indeed, a can or worms, but relativism preachers dont care for morality, so dont be surprised by their stances...
And yes, being born like that does not mean it is not a disorder. Where is the logic here?
About gay parades, I remember the "sad" ending one had in Serbia some years ago.

 

I wouldnt be so quick to label homosexuality a dysfunction or mental disorder. In a similar thread I argued that science has some interesting things to say about homosexuality and its place in the schemes of evolution/procreation. Of course I was too lazy to come up with anything to back me up then. Now I turned to Google, and it came up with this.

Perhaps those who think they are qualified to question the mental state of homosexuals should have a look at it? Its late here and I havent read through the whole material, especially since its too heavy to sift through just like that - but what I gleamed of it was interesting enough.
Intriguing, how our socio-biological potential seems to be quite flexible and diverse, whereas most of our modern societies are incapable of handling it.

 

I believe there is nothing whatsoever wrong with homosexuality. Thus, I'm pro-gay marriage.

Question answered.