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Paladin's Spell Progression

Discussion in 'Icewind Dale 2' started by Quint, Nov 27, 2002.

  1. Quint Gems: 8/31
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    It says that a Paladin gets first level spells at level 4. What it doesn't say, is that his spell progression is as follows:

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    Pal Lvl   Spell Lvl
    -------   ---------
       4          1
       8          2
      11          3
      14          4
      17          5 (?)
      20          6 (?)
    
    *(?) just guessing, as I haven't reached these levels yet.
    So do I have a problem with my game? Or is a Paladin really so useless as a spell-caster?

    And what is "caster level" for Paladin, Ranger and Bard?

    [ November 27, 2002, 22:44: Message edited by: Quint ]
     
  2. Earl Grey

    Earl Grey Mmm... hot tea! Veteran

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    [​IMG] I thought it was like this:
    Pal-6: 1st level spells
    Pal-10: 2nd level spells
    Pal-12: 3rd level spells
    Pal-15: 4th level spells
    Pal-22: 5th level spells
    Pal-29: 6th level spells
     
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    Heh, for certain is that he gains lvl 1 spells at level 4 Earl :nono: I don't have ,however, any idea of the next levels cose my Paladin has wis 10 and you know higher levels are not allowed for him for now.He'll swap 1 point of dex. for 2 of wisdom later :D .Does somebody know what happens if yoy have dex, 13, take dodge and deflect arrows feats and then lover dexterity to 12 with the potion of (i forgot what)?Do you lose the feats?
     
  4. Earl Grey

    Earl Grey Mmm... hot tea! Veteran

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    [​IMG] I checked the table that came in pdf-format with my game. That's were I got the information from. I didn't say it is as I posted, I said I thought it was.
    It was as much an attempt to shed more light on the question as it was ironical about the information we get (or don't get) from the manual. No need to wave a finger at me :)

    IMO Paladins are (still) useless spellcasters. The spells - once you actually get them - are really not that hot. Maybe those spells will prove useful in making the Paladin better at tanking in HoF mode? :hmm:

    [ November 28, 2002, 04:07: Message edited by: Earl Grey ]
     
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    had to put some Graemlins you know :D and the finger one seemd funny for me :rolleyes: No offence intended, really.Frends again? :) :D :p :) ?

    "IMO Paladins are (still) useless spellcasters. The spells - once you actually get them - are really not that hot."Yup ok but what's the point of taking 20 levels of fighter?Still the same BAB with NO spells - just some more feats :)Or barbarian - some more HP and some resistances.Have to choose you know...Do not forget that a paladin can raise your dead cleric afer battle - a thing no other warrior can do.Ops, forgot ranger again....

    [ November 28, 2002, 05:11: Message edited by: AlexGK ]
     
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    This is the correct paladin table (first column is pallie level, first row is spell level):
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    	1	2	3	4	5	6
    
    --------------------------------------------------
    
    4	1	0	0	0	0	0
    
    5	1	0	0	0	0	0
    
    6	1	0	0	0	0	0
    
    7	1	0	0	0	0	0
    
    8	1	1	0	0	0	0
    
    9	1	1	0	0	0	0
    
    10	1	1	0	0	0	0
    
    11	1	1	1	0	0	0
    
    12	1	1	1	0	0	0
    
    13	1	1	1	0	0	0
    
    14	2	1	1	1	0	0
    
    15	2	1	1	1	0	0
    
    16	2	2	1	1	0	0
    
    17	2	2	2	1	0	0
    
    18	3	2	2	1	0	0
    
    19	3	3	3	2	0	0
    
    20	3	3	3	3	0	0
    
    21	4	3	3	3	1	0
    
    22	4	3	3	3	1	0
    
    23	4	4	3	3	1	0
    
    24	4	4	4	3	1	0
    
    25	4	4	4	4	1	0
    
    26	4	4	4	4	2	0
    
    27	5	4	4	4	2	0
    
    28	5	5	4	4	2	0
    
    29	5	5	5	4	2	1
    
    30	5	5	5	5	3	1
    [ November 28, 2002, 12:46: Message edited by: Extremist ]
     
  7. Quint Gems: 8/31
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    Any idea why the progression is so uneven? Normally it could have been just an initial delay of 4, but a normal speed like:
    4-1
    6-2
    8-3
    10-4
    etc..

    And how do you figure out "caster level" of a Paladin, Ranger, Bard, for all those spells that use it?

    [ November 28, 2002, 16:51: Message edited by: Quint ]
     
  8. AlexGK Gems: 7/31
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    I thing it's because IWD does not use core 3-rd Edition rules where paladins and rangers can get up to 4 lvl spells only.
     
  9. Ragusa

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    [​IMG] On the other hands - you only get the lvl-5 and 6 spells on truly epic levels - actually levels you can only reach in HoF mode - and no DM plays that way (hopefully :shake: ) ;)

    So they might have been included to match the HoF CRPG conditions of getting the first +5 weapon in Targos after killing a puny goblin for 1350xp :D
     
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    [​IMG] when choosing a paladin always multi class it to cleric....tank/healer is best for paladin...with 18 charisma for saving throws...
     
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    Personally I like more Fighter 4\Paladin X - better tank since Clerics only receive +1 BAB every 3 from 4 levels and that's a whole attack more :D Not to mention weapon mastery.....
     
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    Ragusa. Only 1350xp for a gobbie? I got 3600xp for mine. Was that because I was level 1?
     
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    Paladin\Cleric?And how will you deal with ability points - need high str., con., wis., charisma and at least 13 points of dex.My paladin has 9 wis. at the beginning he'll never be a good cleric....
     
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