Not getting d12 on level up

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I've got a Barbarian (dual-wielding longswords: I swear, you could actually see my train of thought by looking at threads I make) in Tutu, and when I level up I'm not getting the d12 for rolling HP: now, I've got the "expanded dual-classing" component of BG2 Tweaks installed, and since I heard that this component makes Barbarians into a Fighter kit, is it possible that this means that my character is only geting the d10 for levelling up? Although I had the d12 on creation, so I don't know. Or is it a problem to do with Tutu?

 

Hmmm... Dual classing shouldn't have any effect on how many hitpoints you receive on level up. Before dual classing you get whatever your class's hp would normally be, and after dual classing you don't receive any hp until after you new level exceeds your old level, and which point you get the new class's hp advancement. (Multi-classing is a whole different story.) I'm thinking that it may have more to do with Tutu seeing the barbarian as a fighter kit, and thus giving you a d10 roll on level up like all the other fighter kits. I don't know this for sure - I'm just speculating - but that seems like a logical possibility. You could always just use SK to give yourself the extra 2 hp per level.

 

Found the problem.

I tried making a Barbarian with the same CON in SoA, in which I also have the "expanded dual class options" component installed. The exact same thing happened when I went up a level: d10. I'm assuming that this is happening because the Barbarian is now a Fighter kit thanks to that mod, and recieves the amount of HP on level up that a Fighter does. So, either the problem here is that the designer of that mod completely overlooked this, taking away one of the key advantages of the Barbarian, or both my SoA/ToB and Tutu have some kind of bug.

 

Barbarian was treated as a Fighter kit before the mod's changes--a lot of the stuff surrounding the Barbarian, Monk and Sorceror is hardcoded. It is possible that the mod's changes inadvertantly cause the engine to behave different with respect to the Barbarian, in which case it is an engine limitation that probably cannot be (easily) surmounted.

 

You know, this is probably completely right, and the Barbarian didn't even get the d12 it was meant to in the first place. To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me.
I quit.

 

I just did a quick check with my own BG2 install on Novice (for max hp) with the following mods:
ToB patch
Baldurdash
DBG
EoU
Flirt packs
Kivan
Tsujatha
Kelsey

I rolled a human barbarian with an 18 Con.
Level 7: 124 hp
Level 8: 140 hp
Level 9: 156 hp

Now, with my bad math, he should be getting 16 hp per level up to 9th.

Dividing by # of hp (16)
Level 7: 16 x 7.75 =124
Level 8: 16 x 8.75 =140
Level 9: 16 x 9.76 =156

Dividing by level
Level 7: 7 x 17.714285 =124
Level 8: 8 x 17.5 =140
Level 9: 9 x 17.33333~ =156

If nothing else, my barbarian is getting more hp than he's entitled to on each level up.

 

well, actually it's just the initial HP of that barby - each additional level is getting 16hp (d12{max} +4{con})

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but wait...

I'm dredging through my ravaged memories of 2E, and IIRC the Barbarian was considered sort of a 'subclass' of the Ranger, and rangers don't get d10 * level (+con * level), but 2d8 + con at first level and then d8+con each level thereafter (e.g. a fifth-level ranger with con18 and maxxed HP would get { 2*8+4 + 8+4....} or 68 HP.

So, then, wouldn't a 'maxxed' seventh-level barbarian get eight d12, plus 7 CON bonuses? (or 8*12+7*4 = 96 + 28 = 124 )



I *think* this is the 'ruleset' the core IE code is working on...IF it's correct and just not got a bug.

 

Very ravaged. The Barbarian is actually a fighter kit with d12 HP (with the Complete Fighters' Handbook) or [maybe] a full class unto itself (with the Complete Barbarian's Handbook). And rangers get 1d10 just like like fighters and paladins.

As for the extra HP, that's something I've noticed from time to time with Max HP components, that they add a level's worth of HP without the CON bonus. That it's d10 instead of a d12 is somewhat weird, but no more so than adding a level of HP in the first place.

Regarding the d10 HP for the Barbarian, the same thing happens when you try to SK a Fighter to a Barbarian (because it's considered a fighter kit by the engine even without the mod). Likely it just got spread to all Barbarians by what the mod does to make them duallable. Report the bug to the mod's makers (and be prepared for a "we know, we're working on it" response, but report in nonetheless just in case), as you would any bug.

 

How about a response of "it's hardcoded, nothing we can do to fix it, and we don't mess with the HP tables anyway" instead?

The extra HP die at character creation is a sporadic issue in an unmodded game to which I've never seen any pattern.

 

Well, get your Shadow Keeper and fix your barbarian, it will only take one minute, to adjust his HP to its proper amount. After lvl 9, you do not need any more adjustments anyway, you will always gain 3 HP per level.

 

Well, he could be confusing 1e with 2e. I know Rangers got 2d8+Con in 1e.

Which is what made me create a barby myself and post the leveling results. Since I don't have Tutu or BG2 Tweaks installed, d10 for a barby isn't hardcoded into my regular game.

 

I'm getting d12 with a clean, Fixpacked ToB install, with and without the Expanded Dual-Classes installed.

 

Actually, you are getting d10 because you have the "max hit points at level up" component installed. It says in the readme that barbarians won't get their d12 with this tweak installed. You really don't need to uninstall the component to get d12 at level up for your barbarian. Just shift the game difficulty to "normal" before leveling up your barbarian and he'll get his 12 hitpoints.