Mod & HLA Problems

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Ok, 2 problems.

First, I had to uninstall and re-install everything because simply getting rid of the Imoen Romance mod pretty much screwed up every other mod I had. Resulting in the following problem: NPC flirtpack is not working anymore. I've re-installed it 3 times and it isn't working. What the heck is the deal? An by not working I mean I cannot initiate dialogue with Jaheira at all. I have no idea why.

Second. At some point I remember Tal telling me to install the Sorcerer's Fixpack to get rid of the bug that prevents you from getting mage HLA's with a f/m/t. How? You can only get the HLA's if you have ToB, and there's only a fixpack for SoA. So what's the deal? Uninstall ToB -> play SoA through -> save at the end -> remove the fixpack -> install ToB -> continue playing? Sounds too strange for me to actually try it.

So does anyone have an idea what the heck is wrong here? Especially with the first alternative, since I'm quite annoyed that there's supposed to be a flirtpack but of course once again because of some seriously annoying bug, I can't get a deal of it.

[ April 19, 2003, 19:29: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

Oh yeah, my memory made the trick again. Strange that I didn't spot that even when I did search them all through twice. No matter, thanks Tal.

 

Only explanation I could offer is to check the romance variable. If you have been playing around with all this installing/reinstalling, maybe the romance variable has been set to 3, thus romance is considered dead and you cannot flirt anymore.

 

The romance variable is a-ok. I've started several new games as well just to check this. The interesting thing is, that even the Ascension is only semi-working. I don't get any random encounters by powerful enemies. The only thing at all that hints to the ascension working is the fact that my ToB -> SoA imported character still retains his Bhaal-powers from the end of SoA.

The only mods that is actually working as it should, is Dungeon-Be-Gone.

I also find it strange that while uninstalling any of the mods, the dos prompt screen always shows the uninstaller browsing through other mods that have nothing to do with it. For example if I remove any mod, from Expanded Thief Stronghold to Imoen Romance and Irenicus' Redemption.. it also seems to browse through / uninstall the Flirtpacks and Ascension's improved enemies as well. Very strange.

I should probably just take the savegames and otherwise uninstall and delete it all and re-install it afterwards. But I'm not willing to put off that much time and trouble before I know that's the only alternative. And before I know that even that will work, for it seems almost as if some of the mods can't co-exist properly, as uninstalling one effectively has a major effect on the others as well.

Also, as a sidenote. The HLA fix enabled me to get the ability to memorize one extra lvl 6-8 spell. But that's it. No Improved Alactricities, Comets, Dragon's Breaths etc. I'm going to have to read a bit more about this one though before I can say that's a bug. Just thought to mention it here in advance in case it really is supposed to be working already. My f/m/t's mage level is 18. And I don't ever remember getting just a part of the HLA's, instead of all or nothing.

 

Well, I also tend to run multiple mods at once I have been spared from serious trouble. I always install the mods in the order that was recommended on Interplay forums:

Quoting:
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A perfect install order of the game and WeiDu mods.

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SoA
ToB
Latest Official Patch
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Baldurdash Fixpack

Mods:
Revised Hell Trials (SoA Hell)
Ease Of Use
Spell-50
Tashia (Female romancable NPC- Sorceress)
Imoen Romance (Romance Imoen)
Dungeon Be Gone
Ascension (WeiDu Version)
Redemption 1.0.1
Solaufein (Romancable male Fighter/Mage (romances regardless of gender)
Kelsey SoA 1.5 (Male romancable Sorcerer)
Kelsey ToB
Valen (Powergamers delight with a Vampire Fighter/Thief NPC)
Item Upgrade
Expanded Thief Stronghold
Tactics.
Flirtpack 81 (Flirt with the one you are romancing)

Additional notes:
1) You can find a list with the mods and download locations HERE
2) The ones that are in bold are a must have and should always be installed before installing any mods.

3) If you installed Imoen Romance then do not use Dungeon Be Gone to leave the dungeon. The talks with Imoen already start in the dungeon.
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If you decide to go for a complete re-install, perhaps it is wise to stick to this order for mod installing. At least it has been tested...

 

Yes, that order has been tested. I just re-installed the game, put the mods in in that precise order, newest version of each, of course. And I found that the Flirtpack still isn't working.

Quite interesting. I just recently formatted my computer. There is nothing that I've added in since when the flirtpack was working and now, when it isn't. There's nothing extra in BG2 whatsoever, and I did every step just as described in that list.

I really feel like making another lecture about how pissed I am at something like this for who knows how manieth time (yes, I've experienced quite a few extremely person-specific buggy mods and whined quite a bit about them). But well, as I guess I'm the lone individual with the problem again, I'll pass. No flirts for me then. I just hope that the Jaheira romance would work at all, since it's been no-go so far.

 

Are you in the Underdark by any chance? Flirting shuts off there. We're not as explicit about that as we should be in all of the flirt packs, but it should be in the FAQ, I believe.

 

I am in the surface. In chapters 1 and 2. I've restarted the game with a new character every time I did something that supposedly could have helped, and then took my way out of Irenicus' Dungeon with the Dungeon-Be-Gone mod. And then I've tried it on Waukeen's Promenade. And no go.

 

How are you actually testing that Flirtpack is not working? I mean, none of the romances are active just after you appear in the promenade... and the firting is disabled after you had the first lovetalks. In case of Jaheira romance, you have to start it by talking with Gaelan Bayle, the wait for 6 lovetalks to expire and only then the flirting can start...

I'm sure you know all this, I'm just confused as to how you actually know that something is not working...

 

Gaelan Bayle, that's the shadowthief guy who informs you of the deal for 20 000 gold right? If so, then that's not helping much.

You see, I don't really know how the Flirtpack is *really* supposed to work. I only know that it should contain the same type of click and talk method that was used with Tashia and Valen romances for example. But the first time I played BG2 after I had installed the Flirtpack, I could initiate a dialogue by clicking and talking with Jaheira the moment I got her free from her jail. All I could tell her was something around "Never mind." or something to that direction. But still, I could talk to her. After that, I haven't been able to do even that. And that's where I get the idea that now it isn't working.

I've played through 5 romance dialogues with Jaheira now, and not one thing has appeared that would hint on the Flirtpack being working.

 

Yep. I wrote a README for just this reason.

I shall quote from it.


Q: They're not flirting in SOA! What's wrong?

A: Probably nothing. Aerie and Viconia will not flirt until after their fourth
LOVETALK (LoveTalk=8). Jaheira will not flirt until just before or just after
her sixth LOVETALK (LoveTalk=12). They also will not flirt in the Underdark, or
after cross words have been exchanged, or they're obsessing over some really
heavy issues (Jaheira and the Harpers, late in her romance, between LoveTalk=59
and =62, or Viconia at the various times she gets angry and conflicted.)

 

So this equals: "You cannot initiate dialogue with them at all"?

If so, then I guess it's all ok. Then just to figure out why I could initiate dialogue with her the first time after installing the mod. And why the ascension still isn't giving me any powerful random encounters in Athkatla.

Edit: As in, is this a "yes, you cannot initiate dialogue with them at all until lovetalk blahblah..." or "no, ....... ... .. ...."? I won't play the game for some 10 hours for nothing so I'd like to get an answer, plz?

[ April 23, 2003, 21:18: Message edited by: Foradasthar ]