Mad Mel

Wow. I'd heard the rumors about him being anti-Semitic, but I'd thought they were just the typical celebrity-bashing nonsense. And with what was in there being bad enough, I'd hate to think what else was in the report that they didn't want to release.

 

I guess even celebrities are not immune to stupidity...

 

Nah, Gnarff, when they get to the stage of having so much money they think they can get away with anything, they become especially vulnerable. I'd be willing to bet that there are more incidents than we get to hear about, too.

 

In vino veritas.


Sad, really.

 

Of course, it could have just been the alcohol talking. He might feel something against Jews that wasn't as bad as it seemed, the alcohol just escalated it.

Of course, then again, he could just be Anti-Semetic.

Shame, I really like(d?) him too.

 

Somehow I doubt it. The reports I've read said his blood alcohol was only .12, and the legal limit for driving under the influence is .08. As far as getting drunk is concerned, for someone Gibson's size who claims to have had a problem with alcoholism (meaning he's no stranger to being tipsy), a blood alcohol of .12 is NOTHING.

While Gibson was legally drunk, he wasn't near drunk enough to be so out of his senses as to be essentially speaking in tongues, as some are claiming. He was just drunk enough to lose all sense of propriety and inhibition, not change into the anti-semite incredible hulk. Even if he WAS that hammered, the typical result is not for people to change into something they're not, but to release their true personality and crank it up to 10. Guys with pent up rage hit people and start fights, depressed people cry like babies, the sexually frustrated screw anything that moves...and in some cases, bigots erupt.

If you ask me, he was furious and let loose his honesty. It saddens me, too, because I've always liked his movies.

Besides, after seeing "The Passion of the Christ," is it really a surprise to anyone that Mel Gibson clearly has something against the Jews?

 

So south park was right???

 

The guys from South Park make incredibly astute observations more often than not, so - probably.

In my former life as a Bush conservative, I used to listen Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity on a daily basis. I remember one time Gibson was a guest on one of the two - I think it was Hannity. He was talking about a law they were passing in California that he was a very vocal opponant of. I can't remember the proposition or what it's aim was. But I do remember clearly listening in awe throughout the interview as Gibson was sounding and acting almost exactly like his character in "Conspiracy Theory." It was a little scary.

I think Gibson's been a nutbar for quite some time.

 

Blood alcohol level is a percentage, so size has nothing to do with it. And recovered alcoholics (he quit a while ago, IIRC) are more susceptible to alcohol, not less.

Still, alcohol only lowers your inhibitions and makes you more likely to speak your mind, it doesn't make you say things you didn't think were true. Naturally he'll apologize for the remarks and say he didn't mean them, but I'm not buying it for a second.

 

Magpie, I can't disagree with you. There are certainly more incidents than we give a damn about...

 

Of course, you're right - I was thinking of the number of drinks rather than blood alcohol. But I disagree on the second part; yes, alcoholics are more susceptable to the effects of alcohol in a sense, especially in terms of dependency; but if anything it would take them more alcohol to get them drunk, not less - which is why they drink to such excess.

My original point still stands: a blood alcohol of .12 is nothing major, even in a casual drinker.

 

That applies to current alcoholics, not recovered alcoholics. Alcoholics do build up a resistance, but it needs to be maintained. If they go off the sauce for too long, it swings back the other way, making them more susceptible to the effects of alcohol than if they'd never touched a drop since birth.

That depends on how you define major (and casual drinker, for that matter). Lowered inhibitions, impaired motor skills...yeah, it's not dead drunk, but it's still drunk.

 

But not drunk enough to start yelling "the f*cking jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" if you don't really believe it. Not by a long shot. A blood alcohol of .12 is happy, sloppy, "gimme the keys" drunk, that's about it. Not what I'd call major. I used to be in a fraternity - I KNOW major. Major has puked in my shoes.

Well, if you say so - but I'm friends with a few recovering alcoholics, and they tell me if they ever started up again, it would still take quite a bit to get them drunk. Retriggering their dependence would happen on the first sip, of course - which is why they don't tempt themselves.

 

Most definitely. As I said before, I don't believe him for a second when he says he didn't mean those things. He's just trying to repair the damage his loosened tongue has done to his image, though I don't think many people will buy it. We're a drinking society, so most of us will know better.

 

I would just like to chime in to mention the fact that some visceral part of him feels this way about Jews in no way means he feels that way intellectually. We all have our gut reactions to different types of people. How we react to our own gut reactions and how much weight we give them is what makes us racist or not. Mr. Gibson may have said something anti-semitic. He may, on some level, have those thoughts or feelings. It does not, however, mean he actually agrees with the words that came out of his mouth on an intellectual level. That said, the anti-semitic behaviour really could have been the result of the booze doing the talking (but I also doubt it).

 

Intellectual feelings? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

 

Or just a plain one, not an oxy-one.

Just because this man is a movie star one shouldn't expect him to be perfect... nor should we expect him to be such a bigoted idiot either.

Disappointing really.

 

Man, how is this even newsworthy?