Gorion and his friends

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I know the reason behind this is for leveling purpose and a game appropriate to party level BUT

Isn't it a bit wierd that a powerful mage like Gorion has such low level friends like Khalid and Jaheira?

 

Jaheira and Khalid are half-elves. They are probably about 100 years old. They could have known him for many, many years, before they started adventuring...

That having been said, Jaheira IS a harper (and maybe Khalid as well) so it does seem a little silly that they became harpers with no adventuring experience.

EDIT: Plus Gorion is a harper as well, so maybe they know each other that way.

[ March 10, 2004, 18:47: Message edited by: Aldeth the Foppish Idiot ]

 

Aldeths point is abit more confusing than the fact that they knew Gorion.
Although, the Harpers might have small problems aswell that doesn´t need a Lv20 mage to solve.
Gorion was a Harper aswell, or does my memory bertay me?
If it doesn´t, it would be really strange if they didn´t know eachother.

 

I do not remember exactly either whether Gorion was a harper. His friend E (Elminster) is a harper though.
Anyway, Khalid and Jaheira are harpers, with no experience, because they have not been to many XP-giving adventures... such as helping a god-child and defeating powerful enemies...

 

In the original 2nd Edition AD&D most people are not fighters, mages and clerics. the majority of people are simple folk, who will never gain a level, go on an adventure or GAIN X/P . The heroes are people destined for greatness, who are smiled on by the gods and able to do things ordinary folk can only dream of.
Therefore, it is possible Jaheira and Khalid have been carrying out the harpers wishes for a long time without being involved in anything major or worthy of x/p, and only when CHARNAME enters the scene do they begin to embark on their road to greatness. This is why every man and his dog isn't a level 3 fighter, and every church doesn't have a level 10 cleric.

 

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think about it. I mean, Jaheira and Khalid have probably been adventuring for years (decades in Jaheira's case) and yet have only got a couple of levels? The PC can hit 3rd level an hour out of Candlekeep so it make more sense to start J & K at a far higher level. Of course, if they started at a realistic level (10 or thereabouts) it would make the PC seem pretty useless and the enemies ineffectual.

 

Just play the game.

 

I think Jaheira and Khalid have joined Gorion a long time, but i think they have seen many great things and joined on many adventures, but if the game gives them alot of XP and a high LV, you can easily get a powerfull party on the beginning of the game, that is why they are low-level.

 

look here, they probably perform smaller tasks for the harpers, because in the begining of being a harper you dont do amazing things, small errands and such, and harpers aren't known for their lack of patience, so of course it takes a while for them to move up in rank and lvl, if all they do is kill kobolds and bandits they will take QUITE a long time to become higher levels.

 

Good point. If I remember correctly, Khalid and Jaheira has already some XP (about 1200 I think) when you pick them up, at the beginning of the game (so your party is lvl1 either)

 

It is also a possible explanation that Khalid and Jaheira did not start their adventuring lives until very recently, gained a few xps, then joined the Harpers, met people in the Harpers (Gorion) and then met with charname...

But what has this got to do with anything?

 

From past PnP campaigns, we always used the idea that not everyone could level, that the given exp tables just referred to the PCs, and that this was testament to the specialness of the PCs. Maybe Gorion saw the p-p-p-promise in K-khalid and Jahiera? Or maybe he just liked their personalities (hmmm, maybe less likely). In any case, for Gorion to see K and J, or even charname, as less worthy of attention bec of their level would lead to a rather scary view of life in DnD based worlds: level 0 and level 1 characters seen as less than human bec of their lack of power...

 

they could be freinds with gorion because he wanted their counsel, because you dont have to be a high level fighter/mage/theif/cleric/etc to be wise and smart, like the idiot guy in the official strategy guide, his name was volo i believe, he was an idiot but a high level'ed one, so their has to be someone of the opposite spectrum.

 

I think in a more believable setting both Khalid and Jaheira would have been around 10th level. But making them this high at a time when the PC is only going to be level 1 or 2 meant they would be overpowered. They could practically have handled every enemy in the game (Drizzt and Sarevok being the few exceptions) and the PC would have stood around and done nothing.

 

Replying to the original question:

This is ridiculous. Of coarse a high level mage would have low level friends. After all the PC is only a level 1 character and so is Imoen.

What...?

If I see a post here from a low level poster with under 25 posts am I going to ignore them because I'm too good for them with my 500+ posts? I'm not a jackass and neither is Gorion.

 

All I was saying is that since Gorion has been friends with these two for a long time, it seems a bit odd to me in all that time they never stumbled across an adventure together. It's not like he just picked them up at the Inn a couple months back, they've been friends for a while and unless J&K has a massive collection of rare books to donate they wouldn't be coming to Candlekeep very often. Which means they'd be meeting out in the real world, and possibly stumbling across a few bad guys together. And I don't think using Imoen and the PC as exmaples really works, simply because we haven't been around or exposed to the real world long enough. Gorion and his friend have been around for quite sometime.

 

ahah, my sentiments exactly, id say that he pretty much explained this whole set of posts with that statement, here here.


this statement was meant towards aces post by the way.

[ March 16, 2004, 18:09: Message edited by: cadderly ]

 

I tried to make a second post but they don't let you make two in a row here.


I agree that they should not have been level 1.
Level 3 (2/2 for Jaheira) would have been more realistic.

 

Isn't Khalid level 2 and Jaheira 2/1 or something like that?

 

i believe jaheira is 1/1 usually but near to lvling up, and khalid is lvl 2, that or its vice versa.