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Goody two shoes

Discussion in 'BG2: Throne of Bhaal (Classic)' started by Aldeth the Foppish Idiot, Aug 28, 2003.

  1. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot Armed with My Mallet O' Thinking Veteran

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    What's the ultimate good party you could put together?

    My thinking is obviously it would have to include Keldorn and Mazzy. Your main character should probably be some type of paladin (Undead Hunter?).

    To fill out the party, I'd have to say Anomen (if he passes his test he IS a card carrying member of the Order of the Most Radiant Heart).

    No other thieves would qualify for obvious reasons, so I'd take Imoen.

    And then I'd say Aerie gets a slight edge over Valygar in terms of goodness factor.
     
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    It depends on the number of the characters in the party. I liked more variations. My best parties were the following:
    Baronius(Sorcerer), Jaheira, Minsc, Joshimo then Imoen, Anomen, Sarevok :D
    Baronius(Sorcerer :cool: ), Joshy then Imoen, Keldorn, Mazzy, Cernd,Sarevok :D
    ...and lots of other good variations...
     
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    Do you mean you want an ultimate party, but just with good characters, or do you want to make a party consisting of characters that are the most righteous?

    I think it's the latter, so I'll answer acoording to that..

    Keldorn and Mazzy should indeed most definetely be there and so should Aerie. She may not care as much for being righeous as the former two, but she's so innocent and purehearted, she would never doe anything evil.
    Imoen should be part of the party too, although sh used to be a thief...
    Hmm, and of course Sir Anomen...
    Guess I'm not very original agreeing with Aldeth like this...

    As for the PC: I think a cleric of Lathander. He would have devoted his life to a God of Good and he is just there to heal. He is very unlikely to fight and will only concentrate on avoiding damage done and helping :) .

    I think he is better suited for this party than a paladin, because a paladin is killing stuff and although that stuff might be evil, I think it's more goody-two-shoes to not kill people :) .
     
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    Keldorn + Minsc + Mazzy Should be enough take care of the physical fighting. But for me, I rather be a swashbuckler/mage myself, so that I will not need to carry too many potions of (master thief). The next two for me will be Anomen and Nalia or Imoen.
    2 powerful frontline warriors + 1 long range warrior + 1 good warrior with cleric spells + 2 good spell-casters. I believe this party should be strong enough to complete TOB.
     
  6. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Yes, by "good" I meant good aligned characters, not "good" as in most powerful.
     
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    I didn't mean that either (not really).

    Did you mean:
    Sum up the six most goody-two-shoes NPCs. (Jaheira for instance is out of the question, because she doesn't really care for 'good')
    Or:
    If you play a good party, what characters would you take? (you could then for instance take jaheira, since she wouldn't majorly conflict with good people and she's powerful)

    ?
     
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    Well, I think of Jaheira as 'philosophically conflicted'.

    Ya, she's had all that 'Balance' stuff drilled into her head since she was a girl.

    But anytime people are in trouble or in need of help, guess who's making a call to action? You bet, Lady Jaheira. :love:

    But like Minsc, she'd chafe within the high and mighty and righteous, the white light and nothing else ways of Keldorn and Mazzy.
     
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    Keldorn, Mazzy and Anomen, that's the usual goody two shoes bunch.
     
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    Well, IIRC, Keldorn, Mazzy, Aerie and Anomen are all LG (once Anomen passes his trials, that is). So, all you need is another PC with a sanctimonious attitude -- Nalia comes to mind. She's NG, which is as close to LG as you're going to get given the choices left. Minsc is CG and therefore too far from LG to be a goody-goody despite his desires to plant his foot (and Boo) in various buttocks. (On a side note, gotta feel sorry for Boo -- I hope he no longer has a sense of smell!) Valygar has too much of a dark streak in him (he's NG or CG, IIRC)
    As for the PC to go along with this group, well, You'd want either a warrior of some sort to back up the fighters in melee or a mage maybe (though Nalia and Aerie would have that snapped up pretty well, come to think of it). So, Warrior it would be. What sort? Well, a Paladin of some sort would be cool, as was mentioned before, an Undead hunter would be a good choice (I'd hate to always be reloading if my Cavalier kept getting killed in Melee). IIRC, Berserkers cannot be LG, and neither can Barbarians. So that choice is out. A LG Archer would be a great choice, IMHO -- Keldorn, Mazzy and Anomen could wade into melee, the PC could fire arrows into the battle, and Nalia and Aerie could summon help, cast offensive spells and take down defenses. Anomen could cast spells as needed, and later in the game, so could the PC.
    I think a PC cleric would be a waste, given the presence of Anomen and Aerie. And of course, a thief, druid or bard would be right out, as they could not be LG. Given the fact that I like my PCs to survive, I'd go with the warrior (high HP)that gets into melee the least -- the Archer. Or, you could go with a LG Vanilla fighter or Wizard Slayer and just have them specialize in some sort of ranged weapon if you don't like the armor restrictions on Archers. That's my take, anyhow.
     
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    IIRC, Nalia is Chaotic Good unless you summon her at the Fate Spirit.
     
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    Huh? She has a different alignment if you summon her via the Fate Spirit?
     
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    What's the Fate Spirit?
     
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    The Fate Spirit is the thing that summons your friends in ToB, you know, the one in your pocket plane?
     
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    Yup. Try it and see. She gets a major personality change as well.
     
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    This may be digressing the thread a little, but I wish that there were more relevance between the PCs alignment and that of the party. I know that some combos don't work (Keldorn and Viccy) but other combos that don't make much sense work fine. I mean, Keldorn will follow an evil PC as long as the Rep is high enough.
    And while we're on the topic, there are very few ways that a PC can change alignment! That sucks too. I'd like to take an evil PC and have him grow towards good -- that would be funky.
     
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    I agree there are too little options to change alignment. And the one I know of is also stupid (Hell). So what if I do one test evil? OK, so I'm not lawful good, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'm neutral evil.
    I always play chaotic good. Would it make that little sense if I'd kill Sarevok and the Dragon? The Dragon is just a vile creature and Sarevok has caused so much pain, he deserves death.
    And why are there no consequences if you do everything good?

    On one hand, it would be cool if people like Keldorn wouldn't join up with evil people, but I just think that would encourage everyone to play neutral. A lot of people want to do every quest and in order to do that, you need every NPC to join you. And some people just really want Edwin and Keldorn in the party...
     
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    @Rastor

    Well, I just tried this out, and no, Nalia didn't change alignments in ToB. She's still Chaotic Good. Just to make sure, I even went back to an earlier save in BG2 and checked-she's Chaotic Good.
     
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    It wouldn't really make sense if her alignment all of a sudden switched. The game just loads the creature file I think and that has a fixed alignment...
     
  20. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    OK, we're completely :yot: but from what I remember of 2nd edition rules, alignment was set on sliding scales. One for lawful, neutral, and chaotic, and another for good, neutral, and evil. There were maybe 5 segments over each category. They were usually arranged with lawful and good on the left, and evil and chaotic on the right, with neutral being in the middle of each scale. Every time you did something good, you would move one or more segments to the left (further towards good) depending on the goodness of the act, and evey time you did something evil you would move one or more segments to the right (further towards evil) depending on the evilness of the act. So it is completely reasonable to say that a single evil act in hell should not change your alignment from lawful good to neutral evil, unless you had already moved significantly from that alignment to begin with. I have never player 3rd edition, so I have no idea if this scale system is implemented or not.
     
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