dual wielding kensai

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I was curious if there is any point to playing as a kensai and wasting good proficency point in dual weilding?

It seem's very pointless and a waste of expirience to specialize in dual weilding as opposed to going for a grandmastery in scimitar for the Belm, and a weapon of choice.

just asking for opinions on this.

[ November 24, 2003, 19:45: Message edited by: Taluntain ]

 

give the kensai flail of ages and cromfayer and let him\her dual wield them. then give me your oppinion

anyways, i useally let my kensai dual-wield

my oppinion is that a kensai is better of dual wielding.

ahh there are so many good combinations.

 

By duel weilding I meant dualweilding without spending point's in the style and leaving them for another weapon, sorry for any confusion.

I'm playing a kensai with ** in single weapon style, and get's a critical hit something like 1 out of 7 hit's for about 40+ HP and he has like -3 or -4 ac and he has ***** in katana and later scimitar.

he's using Dak'kons Zerth for the extra ac bonus and when I get the mighty fury He will be duel wielding fairly well with ***** in Katana's and a thac0 of probably main -1 and offhand 3 (because of grand mastery)

I'm probably wrong though because it's been almost a year since I played a kensai and I've never spent ***** ina any thing or try duel weilding without at least ** in the 2 weapon style.

 

well, who would dual wield without spending points in that style

anyway, kensai's can fairly wield only a weapon aswell.

if you worry about ac, use sword and shield style

 

why spend point's in dual weilding for a Kensai? it's more point's to spare for other weapon's. It's a question of versatility against the max potential, a kensai with point's in dual weilding has much better thac0 then a kensai without point's in dual wielding but after about level 13, this problem pretty much cancel's itself out depending on your prof's, and weapon selection's.

and Kensai's cant use shield's unless it's with a mod or patch I never heard of.

 

The only difference between High Mastery and Grand Mastery is 1 point of damage. On the other hand, if you have 2* in dual wield, iirc you pick up 2 thac0 main and 4 off-hand. Granted, for a kensai, thac0 isn't really an issue, but neither is 1 extra point of damage. IMO, going beyong regular specialisation in a weapon is pointless; I'd rather have the ablility to use different weapons.

 

actually I have patched grandmastery so since you dont get extra attack's for point's in dual weilding it's probably better to put ** in single weapon to help compensat for the cruddy ac

 

I’m a bit confused. Are you saying you are dual-wielding, but have points in single weapon style? If so, why? The single weapon style bonuses only apply if your off-hand is empty. And if you are using only one weapon, imho the critical on 19 vs 20 is a poor substitute for an extra attack (or two, depending on the off-hand weapon) that you get for dual-wielding, even after considering the AC bonus.

With un-nerfed grand mastery, I’d probably go 2* in dual-wield, 5* in katanas, 1* in scimitars (for Belm, although you wouldn’t even necessarily need any points), and the rest in a blunt for those times you need one (either clubs for Pitchwife, or flails). However, the idea of not putting any points in dual-wield is an interesting one for a kensai, and may be worth considering if you feel there are other places you would rather put the points.

 

all this time i've heard talk about belm.......never seen such a weapon........could anyone tell me where i might get it? it might be that my version of the game uses a different name.

thought it might be scarlet ninja-to +3, but that sword can only be wielded by monks (and thiefs and bards after getting UAI).

 

Kensai, Sword Saint... Can you really think of Kensai without dual wielding?

Kensai and dual wielding are like Minsc and Boo, Boo and Minsc.

 

hehe, nice said mayfairy

 

Belm is found in the Ogre Mage Tower in the druid grove area near Trademeet. It's a +2 scimitar that gives you an extra attack.

 

To backup Splunge's comments, I agree that there is no point in spending proficiency points on single weapon if you are using two weapons.

The modifiers for dual wielding are as follows:

No stars: -4 mainhand, -8 offhand
One star: -2 mainhand, -6 offhand
Two stars: no modifier mainhand, -4 offhand
Three stars: no modifier mainhand, -2 offhand

So, if you're going to dual wield, I can't think of a reason why you WOULDN'T spend at least two points in two weapon style.

 

I only do this in the early game until I get the sheild amulet and some rings/cloaks/necklaces of protection. an also maybe it is not a complete waste to put just one * in two weapon style but more? why? all more points will get is better thac0 which with grandmastery the kensai will probably be able to do just as good if not better than a normal fighter with 3 * in the style, and realistically there would be defensive bonuses in using two weapons. But no.

Also any of you try giving a kensai ** points in single weapon giving it Dak'kons Zerth and watch him lop off head's wherever he goes?