Backstab a dragon?!

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is that possible? as i was playing BG I i thought about it since i am playing a thief throught the series and was just wondering if it could be done.

oh and i plan on becoming an assasin when i go to BG2, does the poison work on it as well?

 

I don't know... but when you look not to the game but just to Dragons and People I would say no. A dragon has good eyes and an even better nose so I don't think it would be possible to reach him without him noticing you.

 

so what you are saying is that if i tried to backstab a dragon i would be dead before i came within a stones throw? gotcha...

but im still wondering about in-game backstabing...

 

In BG1 a thief could backstabb almoost everything with everything. I still have my screenshot of a F/T backstabbing a greenslime with a two-handed sword. These mistakes have been mended in BG2. Only Piercing weapons work now. (s-sword, Katana, long sword..perhaps more 1-handed weapons) And Only humanoid-creatures can be backstabbed.
Furthermore You have to be behind the enemy's back, else it doesn't work..
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If You can Backstab Firgraag??(I remember so bad) Perhaps in his human form in the bar.
if so then You can backstabb a dragon.

 

In the "real time" it is unable to backstab a dragon(you can reach only for his tail), but in BG2 it is possible.Knowing that dragons have very good AC the chances are...not too high.

 

When I tried backstabbing dragons it said "Backstab Failed", this is also the case for Beholders

 

With backstabbing you can do al lot of damage for you can make a good precious stab with your weapon because the enemy doesn't see you untill the first attack. And it seems impossible to me to enter the dragon so close that you can attack him with a dagger without him seeing you.

 

by the way, they look straight through invisibility, dont they?

 

basically, a thief is well schooled on where to strike an un-aware victim, (slip that dagger right into the spine) thats why it only works on humanoid creatures. You just don't have an inate understanding of where a beholders vitals are.

I always thought backstabbing non-humanoids should be like a level 20 thief ability (they've killed anough bizarre creatures and seen enough weird corpses to have an idea where to strike)

[This message has been edited by jester1137 (edited June 05, 2001).]

 

hmmmm Could Be a good Idea Jester!
Just as the Ranger chooses a racial enemy, the thief could choose a new enemy at every 3rd/ 5th/whatever level. This new creature could then be backstabbed by the thief like normal humanoids can be backstabbed.

 

I thought it also had to do with size and the ability to reach the 'back' of the target. If you can't reach its back (dragon, beholder, golem, giant), then you couldn't backstab it. (Can you backstab a giant?)

 

thank you for all the information and i think its safe to say that you cannot backstab a dragon...darn...

 

hadn't thought about it that way nobleman, but yeah, would work well, with the exception that you obviously couldn't backstab anything without a back, like slimes

actual quote from P'n'P days about ten years ago "what do you MEAN I can't backstab a gelatinous cube!!! theives SUCK"

[This message has been edited by jester1137 (edited June 05, 2001).]

 

Now, of course, there is no backstab, just sneak attacks that do extra damage in increments of d6 depending on your level. You can sneak attack if you catch them flat-footed, and even do it from up to 30' away with a missile weapon.

My 3rd edition character is a 2/2 Thief/Fighter who focuses on sneaking up and getting in a sneak attack with his crossbow.

 

but then, you must remember that this isnt 3rd edition rules. BG II is based upon 2nd edition rules.

note: i havent been able to figure out 3rd edition yet...

 

Ah, yes, forgot to include point which is that the backstabbing system was screwy enough that they decided to completely change it and explain the logic of it in 3rd Edition.

And therefore things should be a lot different in NWN. You aren't able to backstab a dragon in BG2, but you might have a chance to sneak attack one in NWN. I think you still won't be able to sneak attack a gelatinous cube, though ;->. I believe having vitals is a requirement.

 

one of our "house rules" regarding backstabs was to allow the +4 to hit on all creatures, and dmg multiplier on humanoid only. Personaly I think that was pretty good system.

Ummmm maybe I should go to barnes&noble and read a bit more in depth on third ed. more and more I hear about it the less I like it. Barring a called shot, no reason a thief should be more effective using a crossbow on an un-aware opponent than anyone else.

 

makes sense cathon. no matter how much i read on 3rd edition i still dont get it. tell you the truth jester, i dont like what i do understand...and thats not much...