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When can I dual-class?

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by BaronCaelan, Feb 22, 2001.

  1. BaronCaelan Gems: 1/31
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    [​IMG] I just picked up a copy of BG2. I've created this female Kensai character (her stats are 14/18/18/18/10/11) and would like to change her class over to a wizard. When can I do this? (The game won't let me yet).

    I've noticed in most posts that people tend to do this at level 9-12. Currently, she's level 8. Do I have to reach a certain level, or is this a bug? Yoshimo can d/c, but my main character can't. What gives??

    tia,
    Caelan
     
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    You can dual class any time you want if you are able to. Is your character Human? If so, then your stats must not be sufficient to allow dual classing. If not, only Humans can dual class.

    Given what I see of your stats, I would say your strength is too low if your race is Human.

    [This message has been edited by Blackthorne TA (edited February 22, 2001).]
     
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    BTA is right, your str must be at least 17 in the main attribute of your class to be able to dual-class, or is it 15? Either way your str is too low.
     
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    Your primary stat must be 17 in your *first* class before you can d/c to a second class?
    That doesn't make sense.
     
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    Here's what I found about dual classing from a file about AD&D rules here on Sorcerer's Place:

    There are several conditions to Dual Classing:

    1) You MUST be Human.

    2) You MUST be at least level 2.

    3) You MUST start from a Class that can dual. Paladins/Bards cannot Dual
    to anything, nor can you dual anyone to a Bard/Paladin.

    4) The combination MUST be a valid "Multiclass." If you can't find it
    on the list above (ignore the race restrictions), then you can't dual
    it. An example of an ILLEGAL class would be a Fighter/Ranger. Not
    a valid Multiclass, so you can't Dual it either.

    5) You need to have sufficient Stats. You need at least 15 in the Prime
    Stats of your current class
    (i.e. 15 STR for a Fighter) and at least
    17 in the Prime Stats of your desired class (i.e. 17 INT for a Mage).

    Note: Specialist Mages have an extra "Prime Stat" beyond just INT.

    6) Finally there is also an Alignment Requirement. Thieves cannot be
    Lawful, so a Lawful Good Fighter cannot Dual to a Thief. Also Druids
    must be True Neutral.


    So, as you can see, your strength is 1 too low...

    [This message has been edited by Blackthorne TA (edited February 22, 2001).]
     
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    Aarrrgghhh!!

    That sux. :-( 1 measly point. Sheez.

    Thanks for the info, though. Guess I'll just have to restart the game, 'cause I really want to try out that combo.
     
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    I have a lawful-evil theif... But I'm not sure if the dual class button is available. I don't know why I made him LAWFUL-evil. I must of thought it was funny or something, but in retrospect it doesn't make much sense. Lawful theif...hehe
     
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    Bah. Thieves can be lawful. They just have a different sense of law. Law to them is not set in stone, but rather a code of honor that changes daily. Assassins, for example, are often Lawful-Evil, and they KILL people, not just steal. People confuse LAWFUL too often with GOOD because it is GOOD people like paladins who are instituting the law, and thus it is geared toward good. Evil societies also have rules, they are just geared toward evil (ie if you kill someone you get to keep their stuff). Thus a Lawful thief is perfectly legit, just think of it as a code of honor like you wont stab someone in the back, wont attack innocent people, etc...

    Amon-Ra
     
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    Actually when I think of a lawful theif I always use Robin Hood as an example. He was obviously a thief and although he broke the kingdom's laws at the time by stealing from the rich he was upholding his own moral laws by giving it back to the poor.

    Actually I was thinking of a white collar criminal when I made my thief. Someone who APPEARS to be obeying the laws on the outside but is in fact embezzling(sp) tons of money in the background. That would probably be more like Lawful Evil. But since you can't embezzle(sp) in BG2 I think the Robin hood idea might work better. ;)
     
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    [​IMG] Do the stats for dualing have to be natural stats or can they be ring or belt enhanced ???
     
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    Amon Ra is right, a thief very well can be lawful in his own way - that means to be true at least to the guild - if you don´t do so he will loose his only potential ally. Even thiefs want to survive, so the respect their professional rules.
    I particularly like the dc kensai-thief, a formidable backstabber with the kai-ability and an excellent fighter in general :D

    Silroth: They need to be natural, just imagine a numb int-3 human fighter dual to a fighter-mage with the potions of intelligence in use (their effect is culmulative). How capable will he be when the effect wears off ???
     
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    Well, a weak mage might have gotten access to a belt or two, and have decided that meleeing is fun (this of course is just hypothetical, mind you). This could result in items that cant be removed (like Imoens belt).
     
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    [​IMG] Any item, if not cursed or a quest-specific item (like Imoens belt), can be removed from inventory.

    Remember that when you meet shadows and they reduce your chars strength so that he´s to weak to carry his armor any longer a) he still wears the srmor :D and b) the armor still can be removed though not be refitted as long as the effect works.
    It would be nonsens to allow dualclassing just because someone´s wearing the girdle of stone-giant-strength, making him strong enough to change class :D
     
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    [​IMG] Why??, with the girdle you've got the stats, and if the girdle became unremovable, you couldn't cheat by removing it. (I know it's hypothetical!!, but I htink it's not nonsense.)
     
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