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Great News: Portions of Unpatriotic Act Fail!

Discussion in 'Alley of Lingering Sighs' started by Chandos the Red, Dec 17, 2005.

  1. Chandos the Red

    Chandos the Red This Wheel's on Fire

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    This is good news for those who value liberty and the right to privacy. While there are some good things in the Act, there are those portions that allow for the government to spy on Americans. George II loves this kind of secret, covert manipulation of the American people and their rights to information and their rights to privacy.

    Even some Repulicans stood up for liberty, which is surprising, since many of them have sold their souls to this administration for a little security (and power):

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10485860/

    Here's more on the administration's vile attempts to undermine the American process and its liberities:

    This man cares nothing for the basic principles on which this nation is founded, the due process of law, and the right to privacy and the freedom of information. The truth scares the hell out of this person and his minions. He is the worst president since Nixon regarding individual rights. The proof is in "the puddng" and it is quite sour for anyone who stands for American principles and basic fairness.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10488458/
     
    Chandos the Red, Dec 17, 2005
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    I hope they continue to refine the patriot act.To many of the rights we are supposed to be fighting for are slipping away under legislation like this.
     
    Dorion Blackstar, Dec 17, 2005
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    Well, I am happy to see that at least several republicans found enough spine to stand up to this. And that the Democrats thought that it matters enough to filibuster it. I mean, really; does the government lacks enough power to monitor suspect's activities as it is? And how much more new intelligence do they need? After all, they failed to prevent 9/11 not because there was not enough intelligence, but because of screwups in interpreting the available information, and in communicating between agencies. I can understand that screwing with people's rights is easier than getting your act together (see the pitiful state the Dept. of Homeland Security is in), but come on.
     
    khaavern, Dec 17, 2005
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  4. Nakia

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    Hurray!
    /jumping up and down for joy and passing out Liberty drinks for everyone.

    Is congress finally waking up to fact that a lot of us think the way things have headed sucks and badly?
     
    Nakia, Dec 17, 2005
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    Regarding the consequences of the Patriot Act:

    from the Wash. Post

    So the bottom line is that they can investigate you when they like, and the data gathered stays forever in some government database. No reason to worry, sure; after all we are all law abiding citizens.
     
    khaavern, Dec 18, 2005
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    I don't do drugs. I don't break traffic laws. I don't have any dealing financially that could even be interpreted as unethical (let alone illegal).

    Personally, I don't have anything to hide from the government. I would rather give the police greater freedom to stop violent crime before it happens.

    If you have something to hide, changes to the patriot act are good. For everyone else it's either bad or so-so.
     
    T2Bruno, Dec 18, 2005
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  7. Nakia

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    Sorry, T2Bruno, but innocent people do get swept up in things like this. Even if they don't go to jail they get stigmatized. The old 'where there is smoke there is fire' syndrome. The more power the Federal government has the less power the individual has. There has to be a balance between the rights of the individual and society.

    I have more chance of being killed by a car than a terrorist.
     
    Nakia, Dec 18, 2005
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  8. Chandos the Red

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    Too bad we can't say the same about those in government. And these are the guys who are supposed to be watching us? And we know they would never use any of this against their political enemies...right?
     
    Chandos the Red, Dec 19, 2005
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    Right.
     
    Blackthorne TA, Dec 19, 2005
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    Chandos, you must be slipping. You never miss an opportunity to give proper credit for a quote. But this is a paraphrase of a Benjamin Franklin quote of over 200 years ago.
     
    Aldeth the Foppish Idiot, Dec 19, 2005
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  11. Chandos the Red

    Chandos the Red This Wheel's on Fire

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    Aldeth - Not to worry - I saw that also. I reposted it on the companion thread to this topic, "Bush Spies on Americans" (same context, different thread). :)
     
    Chandos the Red, Dec 19, 2005
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    I'm as right wing as they come, but that doesn't mean I want the government sticking their honkers into my life. If I were a U.S. Citizen, I'd be happy the bill, as it stood, was scrapped.
     
    LKD, Dec 19, 2005
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    Great.

    Champagne, I guess? :beer:

    You guys on the other side of the pond pay for the round, though. It's your congress and your president. :p
     
    chevalier, Dec 19, 2005
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    Chev, I'll gladly pay for a round or two but please don't rub it in about him being my president. :o At least congress seems to be waking up to its responsibilities.
     
    Nakia, Dec 19, 2005
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    You're right on that one. /me pays for the round ;)

    Normally, one would think about congress babble preventing the president from doing his job, but it looks like the current congress is putting the president in line when he flips out. Good job.
     
    chevalier, Dec 19, 2005
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    Well, the Patriot act was temporarily extended by the Senate (for 6 months), in order to allow for more discussion. This extension is contingent on the approval of the House, and on GWB's signature.

    Now, what I'd like would be for the House and GWB to stand by their previous statements:
    Then the Patriot act would truly expire.

    You think that's going to happen ? Nah. Bush is already declaring victory
    You gotta love this spin :) (The quotes are from this WP article )
     
    khaavern, Dec 22, 2005
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