Kensai/Mage and Dual-Class Weapons Stay Inactive

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Hi friends little help requested for the following:

(BG2 with TOB installed)

1. Regarding Kensai/Mage Dual Class. Typically Dual-class means retain abilities of both except progress in the current.
Why can't Kensai/Mage equip robes since Mage ability should allow me to wear atleast Mage armors?

Secondly, Can I try to invest weapon proficiency points in Flails, Hammers or any odd type as Kensai which are technically prohibited by Mage Class?
I want my weapons to be active once Mage level is reached to regain Kesai abilities back.

2. Berserker Kit
... Scimitars +++++
... Flails ++
... Single Weapon Style +

When Dualed Berserker (Level 13) to Cleric and regained Berserker abilities at Level 14 (Cleric) a shocking change appeared on the weapons proficiency table.

Scimitars showed +++++ but were inactive (no +/- icons) thereby completely negating proficiency. I even tried to equip Scimitars but it shows red.

after reading Dual-Class rules it seems Cleric weapons restrictions even apply to Fighters dualing and when they regain fighter abilities.
Why can't I equip Scimitars since fighter HP and all other abilities have been retained?

This is not the case with Kensai Mage where Mages are typically restricted Katanas for weapons on character sheet but a Dual Kensai with Katana easily manages to retain Katana prificiency as a Mage. Why is this Kensai/Mage dual class allowed Katanas since Mages don't wield them?

My question, Dual class fighters need to focus only on weapons permitted to the second class pool? Or Can we invest on any weapon as a Fighter and expect them to be active once dual-Class is active?

thanks...

 

The mage weapon restrictions don't have an ideological background, it's just that mages never learned to used those weapons during their carreer.
So if you learn weapon proficiencies as fighter you can use them after dualclassing to mage is finished.

 

I just checked almost every weapon is active when dual with Mage class.

The game never hints regarding weapons ability is affected or not with Classes dualed with Fighter. Clerics certainly don't allow any weapons of fighter.

What about other classes?

 

Multi and dual class clerics and druids are restricted only to those weapons allowed by those classes, due to ethos restrictions. So in Baldur's gate 2 a dual class berserker13/cleric X can't use scimitars because a cleric is not permitted to use bladed weapons.

Such ethos restrictions do not apply to mages, so feel free to train in weapons that a mage cannot use.

The Kensai/Mage cannot wear robes because Kensai's cannot use "armor." So basically that equipment slot is off limits to your kensai mage because kensai are not permitted to wear armor of any sort. In general, when a class explicitly "denies" the use of a particular arm or armor, adding a second class cannot undue what was denied by the first class.

 

To echo what others have said ...

Think of it as restrictions (hard coded so the character cannot do/use it), and limitations (things you are not trained to do, but can later if you somehow acquire the training).

Every class has limitations, many have hard coded restrictions (but not all).

Arcane casters (mages, bards, and sorcerers) -- They are limited in weapons choices, weapon specialization, fighting styles and inability to use thieving skills. They are restricted from wearing armor while casting.

Priests (clerics and druids) -- They are limited in weapon specialization, fighting styles, inability to use thieving skills and may be limited in armor choices (druids). They are restricted in weapon choices. Many of these same limitations and restrictions carry over to monks.

Thieves -- They are limited in armor choices (although restricted/penalized in using some thieving abilities while in certain armors), weapon specialization and fighting styles. They are restricted to thieving weapons for their backstab ability.

Holy warriors (rangers and paladins) -- They are restricted from obtaining mastery in weapons (as are barbarians).

Fighters -- Limitations include the inability to cast spells and use thieving skills.

Basically you can dual or multiclass to remove limitations, but doing so may add restrictions to the character.

Kits also add limitations and restrictions as well. These are pretty well spelled out in the kit descriptions -- e.g., swashbuckers cannot backstab, kensai have restrictions to armor, mage killers have restrictions to magic, etc..

 

Well said T2.

I was considering discussing how in Microsoft Active directory permissions a "deny" always wins, whereas permits are cumulative, which is really the same concept. Then I realized that wouldn't mean anything except to maybe 1 or 2 poor sods around here. Limitations vs. restrictions sums it up perfectly however.

 

thanks guys.. got it

another little teeny weeny problem about weapon style and help needed on it.

1. In "Single weapon style" characters receive -2 bonus to AC and critical damage on an attack roll of 19 or 20 (2 pips) when using a one handed weapon.

Now if I invest 3 pips in Two Weapon style and not a single pip on 1H weapon style.

Can I still receive -2 AC bonus or it only applies when strictly one handed weapon is equipped?

If I have both styles with full proficiency slots than critical hits or Ac bonus transfer or retained when dual wielding?

Also, in "Two weapon style" critical damages only occur on a roll of 20 only.

What can I do for a critical hit on 19 roll when dual wielding?

I know asking a lot but a new player with typical syndrome of doubts
thanks..

 

Short answer: no, you cannot combine single weapon style and two weapon style.

Single weapon style can be combined with sword and shield style.

The bonuses for two weapon style are as stated and do not included any AC bonus, nor is there an improvement in chance for critical hit.

Think of it this way -- two handed weapon style is about a flurry of blows that will overpower the enemy. You hit as often as you can and wherever you can. Single weapon style is about finesse. In single weapon style you use your weapon to deflect some blows and you're better able to target vital areas (i.e., get more critical hits).

There may be mods out there that raise the percentage of critical hits on some weapons.