WTF??!! UK can't deport Somali criminals and has to pay them

That's really dumb. Can't they just kick them out? Give them a plane ticket to somewhere? You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here?

 

We're soft as poo. This is a same-old story we've heard before, just a different situation.

When our border control catch illegal immigrants trying to gain entry, they get put up in a hotel while we try and figure out what to do with them, with the warning 'now stay there, ok?'

Unsurprisingly, most of them don't and are found 2 years later working in a car wash.

We should be able to just push them back on the banana boat they arrived on. They can be someone elses problem. The European Court is a load of crap.

 

I know many on the right think that the UK is committing suicide with its immigration policy. Here in the US we have a political party that has based a part of its strategy on converting poor (meaning uneducated and non-wealthy) illegal immigrants into voting citizens that will be forever dependant on that party for support. Very similar to what they have done to African-Americans.

 

Are you suggesting African Americans immigrated to the US?

 

Yeah well it is not the first such case in the ECHR. Frankly the UK signed the convention so they are bound to follow it. The chief argument is that deporting them is equal to that of a death penalty or a cruel and unusual punishment since they would be sent to a country where such treatment would be very likely. The same often applies for deportation to most Muslim countries. They are technically refugees and EU does not allow its member states to send back refugees to countries where they'd likely be tortured or killed. If the person has committed crimes or not has very little relevance to the matter.

Not sure what the big fuss is all about really. I think this sort of issues have been discussed on the boards before too, there's nothing really new about it. The fact that the UK government pays for the costs of a lost court case is as far as I know a common practice.

 

No, I'm saying that they are dependant on a political party.

 

yep, and we cant deport illegal immigrants if we cant find their passports.... they are released on licence which requires them to sign in at their local police station every week.... most of course disappear back into the population.

yes, and I yearn for the day the UK leaves the EU, the EU only benefits its favourite landlocked states, the UK would be so much better off without it. The biggest problem of course with this stupid policy is that everyone claims they will be persecuted if returned home.

 

What are you talking about? Can you explain this nonsense so that it makes sense?

 

This happens all the time in Canada. It's BS here, it's BS anywhere.

 

Yes, you've made your opinion of the EU quite obvious before. Everyone can claim to be persecuted but it's not like all such cases are accepted by the courts. The conditions are examined on case-by-case basis. When there's little doubt that death or torture awaits them on their return the court will rule accordingly. An indirect death penalty is still a death penalty. I suppose you could argue that when they are out of your borders you wash your hands from all responsibility for them, but in my opinion that's morally highly questionable.

 

It's pretty funny, now that I'm older, but growing up it seemed like every body else I knew could trace his/her roots back to some prince or king of a tribe. Apparently we had 99 kings for every 1 tribesman. Granmama told the same stories "Your great-great-great-etc grandaddy was a great leader of his tribe tell they where betrayed by allies & sold into slavery".
Never really thought about it until in my late 20's, then i had that "hey wait a minute!" moment.

Chandos tR what he is talking about is the fact that more than 9 in 10 blacks vote democrat. I can't tell you how many friends & family members wont even talk to me since I told them there was no way I was voting for Obama again. I have had people that I have known for 40 yrs & thought were friends call me everything from a race traitor to an Oreo & a house n!&&@. 2 of the preachers at my church thought it was appropriate to bring it up at a church social!
Until you have had a 90+ yr old woman tell you she hopes you die & go to hell, you ain't been cussed out.

 

morality is irrelevent

 

Not if they get legalized . Besides, in that case you have to consider that "“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" line a bit of a false advertisement.

 

In issues regarding human rights (such as this) morality is all but irrelevant.

 

Well, yeah, the African American population always votes heavily Democratic. Obama got 95% of the African American vote, and even Dukakis managed to get 82% of it. But what does that have to do with Hispanic immigrants - legal or not? Hispanics vote Democrat more than Republican, but nothing to the extent that the African American population does. I wasn't able to find any statistics for the midterm elections, but if the demographics on the 2008 presidential elections are correct, 62% of Hispanics voted for Obama. That's a statistically significant departure from the 53% of the vote Obama received from the population at large, but nowhere near the extent that blacks do.

In fact, I'd go one step further and say that it would be wise for the Republicans to soften up their stance on immigration. Frankly, with the way the demographics of this nation are changing, the Republicans can't afford to have the Hispanic population start voting like the African American population. What will be the slogan for the 2020 Republican nominee? "Operation Gringo"?

Assuming she was a 90+ yr old black woman... yeah I agree. Old Italian women are the same way - they can curse like sailors.

 

That's not what he said, rg. He said they were "dependent on one party." That's something very different from what you are saying. A lot of blacks are fairly liberal in their thinking so they tend to vote Democratic. That doesn't mean they are "dependent" on them, anymore than a lot of rich people are "dependent" on Republicans.

 

I think people tend to vote their pocketbooks regardless of race. They know at some level that policy will impact the economics of their daily lives. But at a deeper level there is a fairness factor regarding economics, opportunity, hiring practices, treatment in the work place - even how you are treated as a consumer. All these factors influence ideology, whether liberal, moderate or conservative. In my opinion, at least, it doesn't make any particular race "dependent" on a political party.