Smartphones: What's Hot??

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Anyone who loves an iPhone, loves it because they don't know any better. Sorry, but that's how it is. There is so much better out there, for cheaper. Apple are the masters at using very good marketing to sell sub-standard products at over-inflated prices.

 

It's really, really not relative. Hardware power is cold hard fact, and no iPhone has ever had it compared to other top-end smartphones. The OS is unbelievably restrictive, comically so, even after you jailbreak it. A middle of the road HTC has more bang for buck than an iPhone 4, not to mention the higher end devices. Even Samsung are releasing devices which piss allover iPhones over the last few years. The SGS was better than the iPhone 4, and we're now on SGS2. I myself have a Galaxy S2, which is currently the highest spec phone on the market (1.2ghz dual core, 1080p recording, dedicated 400mhz GPU). The iPhone 5 to be fair is boasting the ARM dual core processor, which is great... but the SGS2 already has it, and is on the market now. Even if the iPhone ever competes with other premium smartphones in terms of firepower, the fact of the crappy OS remains, which can not be replaced. They sold a bucket load because they got to the market first, but are losing market share to better devices by the day. Android is a vastly superior OS, in every way.

Oh and Tal, Nokia just really aren't worth talking about these days .

 

You have never used a Mac then have you?

 

I'll assume that's sarcasm .

 

Don't get your panties in a wad just because someone disagrees with what you think is a good phone.

Samsung???? Wait. I think my piece of junk is a Samsung.

 

If only 'think' came into it . Itz fakts innit bro. Think monster gaming PC against some crappy ass Dell office PC.

You're really arguing with the wrong person, about the wrong thing here. If there's one thing I know, it's phones. I might not know much about anything else, but I know my smartphones. If you really want to go down this road, then find me a better phone than an SGS2. Well, you can waste your time trying if you want, but I promise you won't. The only worthy SGS2 competitor is the HTC Incredible, which isn't even out yet. The custom roms are starting to whirl out for the SGS2 as well, including the Cyanogen 7 nightly's - which is an epic win.

 

I have an iPhone 4. Love it. Best phone I've ever had.

My wife has an iPhone 4. She went through 5 different Droid phones in a single year, all of them crap-tastic. Then she got an iPhone 4. Best phone she's ever had.

There are probably "better" phones out there, by one measure or another. I'll keep my iPhone, thanks.

 

Great. Because I think my provider has that Samsung junk as well as the Apple. I'm not a big fan of Apple anything, but Mrs. Chandos "loves" hers and if she's happy with it then I don't give a damn about much else regarding a cell phone. Every once in a while I load some music for her on it off of my PC. I don't think much of ITunes software, but so what? Even Winamp is not that great anymore.

You believe that is a good phone, Barmy? It should be because it is more than twice as much as Mrs. Chandos' IPhone. I think it's just too expensive for what it is. I guess I will keep my old Samsung for a while longer [4 years old]. Unless you want to convince me that there's anything worth while on that phone. I won't blame you though if you don't want to bother with it.

Sorry. But I still recommend the Otterbox.

 

Noooo DR, you're a rabbit, not a sheep!

Seriously though, I can see why some people like iPhones. The are easy to use as the OS forces you to use it a certain way, so you can't go wrong. This is OK for your Joe Public who doesn't know much about phones, however for your more discerning user or phone enthusiast this is just annoying. Phones are such powerful things these days, you want to use your phone how you want and do with it what you want. Not have your hands tied with some ridiculously restrictive operating system. The first iPhone 3 didn't even have 3G; yea cracking idea that Apple. the iPhone 3GS did, but then couldn't play Flash. Another master stroke. The iPhone 4 is 'ok' but the simple fact is, you can do better, so why spend an inordinate amount of money for a sub-standard product?

Where you find people interested in phones, you'll find people who hate iPhones. I'll grant that they are OK for a lot of people who don't know enough about phones to know better, but all this does it serve to irritate the phone-geek crowd even more.

Did you know Apple also track your movements and activities with the iPhone software? They're a godawful company, they really are. And God help your wallet if anything ever goes wrong with it!

If you want a real eye-opener, go to the biggest and best phone developer site out there, XDA Developers, and make a post bigging up the iPhone. Just make sure you put some flame-proof pants on .

 

I didn't want to step on the "IPhone 4 Cover" thread.

Barmy said:

The Apple IPhone was only 199.00. I thought that was a pretty good deal.

 

Which one, when? Find me the iPhone 4 for that price pal, it's more than 2 times that, and that's in British Pound Sterling! I'm not talking about by-gone phones; the smartphone market is a cutting edge one and changes quickly. I'm talking about the newest of the new. You could have at least quoted my whole post as well - it's not often I make a post over 10 words long on these boards lol.

Look, all this boils down to is knowing enough from the other side of the fence to feel annoyed on someone elses behalf when they are buying something not as good as something you know is better, and paying extra for the privilege.

How can I put this in a way that might hit home on this message board? Imagine watching someone who doesn't know much about RPG's being persuaded to buy Pools of Radiance for £50. You, knowing a lot about the ins & outs and pro & cons of RPG's know that BG2 or PS:T are much better purchases, and you can pick them up at the the same price, or probably cheaper. You try and tell this person and all they do is go 'No, this is what I've got, it works great for me and I like it, so ner' and you're like 'Buuuut, this is better! that's a load of crap!' *fingers in ears* 'la la la la la la, not listeniiiiiing'.

Oh, and yes, the SGS2 IS the best phone on the market right now. I can dig out specs and stuff if you want, but I don't see the point. Just take my word for it laddo! It won't be in probably less than a year, but that's the beauty of the smartphone market. It's moving along ridiculously quickly.

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Which was my whole point to begin with. They're OK for your everyday user who doesn't know any better, but for someone who does, the restrictiveness of it is annoying. Like I say, find a phone-geek community and watch the iPhone flame go up like Hiroshima. That doesn't mean it's not OK for Joe Public, but it doesn't change the fact it's over-priced gunk. I'd detest having to pay for every little bit of gunk on the market too, and being forced to use the crap that is iTunes. My God how I can't be doing with Apple - it's a really bad idea to get me started on it lol.

 

No, it's not just me, it's anyone who knows enough about the whole scene to know better, and really dislike Apple for what they do and stand for... iPhones are great for people content to use an crappy over-priced device that just can't stand up to superior devices, but don't know enough to make an informed decision otherwise. More power to people like that. For the millions, MILLIONS of others who know enough to know better? They'll be content to use their superior devices, with their superior roms and get an infinitely better experience from their phones (and laugh at iPhone users whilst they do it, and watch Apple continually lose their undeserved market share). Like I say, take a trip over to the wonderful site that is XDA Developers and have this debate there, it might be a real eye-opener.

I don't think there's much more to add to that, to be honest. It's doing my head in banging it against this brick wall; I love you guys but you're really the wrong people to be having a phone debate with! It's like going to the 'Womens Own' forums and having a discussion about beer and football.

 

IPhone 4, 16GB: 199.00, which is how much I paid for the wife's phone.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/packages/packages-details.jsp?q_package=sku4710254

 

I am pondering buying a smartphone and I really do not like the Apple cult but the fact of the matter is that Iphone customers seem to be extremely satisfied more or less all the time while people who buy other smart phones generally spend the time Iphone users spend lavishing praise on their phones whining about this or that crappy feature.

 

Grab an HTC, the Desire S is a damn nice phone.

 

The HTC Incredible is out soon, which has a seriously beasty spec. If you don't want to wait then the SGS2 is an absolute beast - they are pretty much on par. There's the Motorola Atrix which also has a good spec, but I wouldn't recommend it (not quite as good as other phones out at the moment). The Desire series is good, but a little bit old now (in phone terms). So really, if you're looking for the best of the best at the moment, you've got a choice of the Incredible or the SGS2. If you're not bothered about having the very latest, then there's a **** tonne of different options, far too many to go into.

The good thing about HTC's is that the bootloader is ALWAYS unlocked. Like, always. So all you need to do is pop over to XDA and get a hold of one of the multitude of amazing ROMS to make your phone even better. If there's something about your phone that annoys you, or that you don't like, it's not a problem. Just find a ROM you like better.

Chandos, that's not a link. There's absolutely no way you're getting an iPhone 4 for that price, unless you're paying for a contract as well. If you want an iPhone 4, SIM free and PAYG then you're looking at LEAST £450 pound, which translates as at least $750-$800. Don't believe me? http://www.google.co.uk/products/ca...=X&ei=maHwTYfHIoao8APQltDrAw&ved=0CIEBEPMCMAQ. God, why am I doing the legwork when I know I'm right to begin with lol.

Last night before I went to bed I streamed a film via DNLA to my TV from my phone. Do dat on your iSheeps then boyo's! Give me a ring if you manage it - just make sure to hold your phone in the 'right way' or you might lose signal .