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Valygar and Suna

Discussion in 'BG2: Throne of Bhaal (Classic)' started by Cal Jones, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. Cal Jones

    Cal Jones I'm not dead yet

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    I'll first qualify by saying I am very familiar with the unmodded BG2 - I've played though every character class, romance, good and evil, and most of the NPCs, and it's only really now that I've become interested in adding some mods (starting with Ascension which I'm doing currently).

    Now Valygar is one of my favourite NPCs, and I take him along in at least 50% of the time. During my current game which, incindentally, is the first and only time I've picked up Cernd (not keen on druids, to be honest...but I thought I should try him once, at least for his comic dialogue with Edwina...) and Cernd initiated a dialogue about Valygar's hatred of mages, whereupon Valygar started babbling about a mage killing someone called Suna.

    Now in all the times I've taken him, he has never once mentioned Suna to the PC or any of the other NPCs, so it was all a bit out of the middle of nowhere.

    I'd read about a mod that has a bit more about a past relationship of Val's with a woman called Suna Seni so I figured there must be more dialogue about this somewhere in the unmodded game, just that I've never encountered it.

    There is, of course, a character called Suna Seni who is in one of the first "you have been waylaid by enemies and must defend yourself" encounters in Amn - it's the same party that gives you a rather nice short sword. Other than that, I've no clue where this whole thing came from. Does anyone know more?
     
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    UB makes Suna Seni a non-hostile NPC in Copper Coronet. She has some plot with Valygar, especially if you take him to Spellhold with you. I did not know she was supposed to be dead, maybe Valygar thinks she died when battling a mage? I really can not remember UB's Valygar-Suna Seni dialogues well.

    And Valygar is the silent but strong type. He is not well known for talking about the every detail of his past with everyone. How did Cernd persuade him to talk, I am unsure.
     
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    Silverstar is right on the money - Most of this content is out of those restored dialogues and pathways, cut or never fleshed out by BioWare (UB, The Suna Seni/Valygar Relationship Restoration). BioWare must have left a banter with a reference in the released game. Unmodded, there is not as much content with Valygar as I would like. Strong and silent is cool, but tough to deal with in a game where you want to roleplay. Talking once a month is not usually considered normal.

    Domi has an older mod, CR, Corthala Romantique, which is the only really good content out there for Valygar that I know of. It is not released, though, and some folks at G3 are still getting it ready. It has content for the friendship path and romance path as well. Currently there is also space for ideas at SHS, where folks at the Extended Banter Project are taking ideas, so if folks have them, it would be nice to suggest them over there - he seems to be a tough one to write for. Especially as in the released version there is no good exlination of the backstory, so it means writing for a. no relationship b. the Spellhold materials with her and Valygar being involved, or a romance path.
     
  4. Cal Jones

    Cal Jones I'm not dead yet

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    Yes actually I was asking because of the EBP...I was considering offering my services. :)

    The dialogue was totally random (I've never had UB installed - Ascension is the only mod I have, at all, to date, though I plan on trying many more) so I was a bit, wtf?
     
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    Shouldn't have said that in public to me, man... you are hired. I am nominally the dude moderating Valygar, but I was just supposed to be the code support person. If you have ideas you want to share, hop on board as an author, even if it is just for a few. If you have alot of ideas, even better.

    So if you are doing a playthrough, having a blast, and come up with what *should* have been bantered/commented on/etc., go for it! The head person will edit everyone's work to make it fit the overall project, but that actually is no big deal. :cool:
     
  6. Cal Jones

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    Yup I'm already talking to them re: another character, though after finding out no one had offered to do anything for Val I thought it might be worth a shot (though I'm off on holiday at the end of the month so it depends on time constraints etc - if there's no hurry then it's not an issue, though).
    I'm a complete noob to this and hopelessly non-technical, though being an ex-games journo I know I can write. Unfortunately since my Ultima Online RP guild died I've not had a creative outlet so this could be a rewarding thing for me to get into (provided I don't get obsessed, heh).
     
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    Never any hurry. Some mods take years to finish. Morning Glory and some folks had ideas, but RL ate them alive... and writers are what is needed. Code stuff we can handle. You would be very, very welcome. Drop me a line anywhere, and I will also check by the forums and can continue this converstaion there (don't want to hijack the topic :) )
     
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