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ToEE Walkthrough by Beren

Discussion in 'The Temple of Elemental Evil' started by gibberishh, Jul 8, 2024.

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Rogue/Wizard Multiclass Options

Poll closed Jul 9, 2024.
  1. Rogue 2/Diviner 8, Drop Necromancy

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  2. Rogue 2/Evoker 8, Drop Conjuration + Necromancy

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  3. Rogue 2/Transmuter 8, Drop Conjuration + Necromancy

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  4. Rogue 2/Wizard 8

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  5. Rogue 2/???

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    Hey @Beren. I am currently following your walkthrough for ToEE. This is my first time playing the game. So far I must say the pace of the game is a little infuriating but your walkthrough has been excellent.

    One minor errata: In the party guide, https://sorcerers.net/Games/ToEE/Walkthrough/PartyGuide/Alliria.php, for druid you list Spell Focus: Summoning at 3rd level. This should be Spell Focus: Conjuration.

    A couple of notes: St. Cuthbert, I was able to intimidate that guy on the lower floor and never paid him 10gp to meet the canon (what can I say, I have a dislike for religious institutions ;)).

    Also, I was able to pickpocket the dagger +1 off Furnok with some save scumming. No matter how much I tried, there was no way to pickpocket the Ring of Invisibility. Also, pickpocket does not work at all on Fruella (this is all just FYI).

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    A more pressing matter though. I am following your guide with very few deviations -- I've wandered a bit where my game style varies from yours or my 'philosophy' for the rpg varies from yours. I don't have the modpack installed. Otherwise I've been fairly religious.

    Now is my time to multiclass my rogue into a wizard. Since she is meant to be a utility wizard, I'm thinking of specializing, to give her extra spell slots. I dare say I won't lose out on anything useful (I think) because the school/s I am looking to miss out on should not be involved in crafting items? My choices are:

    Diviner: requires me to drop only 1 school, and I'm thinking of dropping Necromancy.
    Evoker: since I will be taking Magic Missile and Fireball, why not? In this case I would drop Conjuration and Necromancy. Instead of Mage Armor I would take Identify. And I'll use Mirror Image (and later Elven Chain) in case I ever decide to drop her in as a decoy.

    Which option would you recommend? Or maybe some other variation? A transmuter perhaps? If you insist on straight-up wizard instead then what would be the rationale?
    Eagerly awaiting reply before finalizing the multiclass. I'm still in Hommlet, about to go for Terjon's pendant. I've created a poll but a descriptive response would be much appreciated. Thanks!

    As an aside, you've mentioned Color Spray for your wizard (one of my go-to spells in other D&D) but it's not listed in the manual. I desperately hope it's something they overlooked. It is listed in spell.mes. I hope it turns out to be an Illusion spell and not Necromancy!
     
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    Iirc correctly I went generalist Wizard because I didn't want to lose any schools. But if you must choose, I'd go with Diviner.

    I'll look into the other things when I get a chance.
     
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    Thanks a bunch. Dropping Necromancy is the right choice?
     
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    I would say so.
     
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    A point to note, this is the first game where I feel comfortable dropping Necromancy... in all other games (the ones I play) I would consider it an essential for my arcane casters because of Horrid Wilting -- and that would be the one and only spell because of which I would end up creating generalists. But in ToEE you don't get levels beyond 10! So with PCs I always end up with generalist wizards (so far). Also, crafting is either not available or not useful at all in BioWare games.

    Your explanation of creating a pure utility wizard was so convincing too. Good insights. Thanks
     
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    That makes sense.
     
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    Also, can you tell me exactly which areas the St. Cuthbert and the Dagger +1 occur in so I can note them up?
     
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    Having to pay 10gp to meet the canon (or Terjon) appears in multiple places. I haven't got beyond the first six links under HOMMLET (top link) but iirc I've seen it four times already on four different pages.

    Furnok and Dagger +1 are mentioned on https://sorcerers.net/Games/ToEE/Walkthrough/Hommlet/WelcomeWench.php
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    By the way, are you seeing anything like this "he’ll" instead of "he'll"?
     
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    I'm seeing it as a smart quote -- he will (closing single quote) in the first instance -- which is correct -- and a regular quote in the second. Usually struggles happen when you try to use a closing single quote at the beginning -- like the '90s.

    Although I'm not sure what your question pertains to... if you're referring to your wt then I haven't been paying attention to quotation marks.
     
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    Ok, just made changes to the Alliria, StCuthbert's Church and the Wench pages. If you like, check them and see if you agree with the editions.
     
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    The quotes issue is global and will need to be fixed manually (it's due to the new site layout also). The incorrect/missing display is a consequence of copy/pasting from Word that I mentioned in the Workshop thread.

    Fixing this will require mass replacing all the invalid Word characters will standard ones. Once I get started on this with the other pages, I'll make a list of what needs to be replaced in the walkthroughs.
     
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    I doubt it will be an issue with Beren's walkthroughs -- even if he creates content in Word, he puts it into DW for this site and DW should convert any smart quotes into " or &dquot; (I haven't used DW for many years now, this is from old memory).

    I suspect only very old content might have issues. Will go through the IWD, IWD2 stuff again to check, since that is among the oldest content on the site.
     
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    It doesn't convert smart quotes by default, check the thread in Workshop, I explained the issue there. And it's not just quotes, it's also em dashes, ellipses etc.
     
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    I did a mass replace yesterday to at least fix the quote marks, seems to have worked as far as I can tell.
     
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    Will keep an eye out now that I know
     
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    Errata: https://sorcerers.net/Games/ToEE/Walkthrough/MoatHouse/MoatHLevel1.php
    https://sorcerers.net/Games/ToEE/Walkthrough/MoatHouse/MoatHLevel1Map.php

    Need to swap the text of 7 and 8?... on my install, 7 leads me to L2, 8 leads me outside

    Edit: actually just swapping the text won't work... there are 2 markers for 8 on the image. If you still have the source image, you'll need to swap the marker for 7 with the 8 on the right.

    (These are not "please fix now" ... you can review my comments as and when time permits.)

    Further edit: Now I'm really confused: I went outside the secret door, came back in, and NOW the doors work as indicated on your map! Really, I tested the doors twice before posting this, but now they seem to have swapped positions in the game, making your map and markers correct! Gosh this game is buggy.
     
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    It is and the Co8 modpack is really pretty much essential in fixing the heap of bugs.
     
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