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The Last Resort

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Deathmage, Aug 11, 2003.

  1. Dreads Gems: 3/31
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    Beware of ranting:

    As in my main Belief, law and order brings corruption, while chaos in ones actions is pure.
    Not-so-good things about order: Look at politicians, crooked cops, the parents of the victims of the subject of this topic.

    --Why organize, when you *feel* instead, wouldn't that be better?

    These kids suffer because they just didn't do what they're "supposed" to, acording to lawful view-of-life.
     
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    Yes, because they need an opposite.

    It's just like religion needs sins to exist.

    That is not order, that is chaos. Chaos in order.
     
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    Yep. But since when has chaos been able to corrupt chaos? Those examples of what happens when order is corrupted are stil rigorously thinking that everyone else should follow their rules. And IMO the corruption is more about evil in order than chaos in order. And if the parents didn't be so stuck up with orderly living, and controlling their offspring's lives they wouldn't have sent their kids there. AND there is GOOD chaos and BAD chaos. There's two sides to most things.

    I simply can't see what benefits there are in follow order with no good coming out of it.
    If there was a law that dictated that you must sacrifice an infant every week, or something as ridiculous, would you follow it purely because it's a law?

    And no more twisting my questions and answers.


    To less ridiculous things. Reading the the article it would seem that the kids start "respecting" their parents after their "rehabilitation", perhaps making some readers positive to this thing. Just so ya'll know, that affection is fake. They "respect" their parents out of fear of punishment.
     
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    Morgoth La lune ne garde aucune rancune Veteran

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    *sigh*

    When are you humans gonna learn that evil, good, order, chaos and free will are merely constructs of the human mind in a desperate attempt to explain the universe around us.

    If doing it benefited me more than not doing it? Hell YEAH!
     
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    The world is surely going straight to hell, I just know it.


    BTW a description is a description, whether the described thing is "chaos", or the color "green".
     
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    And is there a universal standard for chaos and order?
     
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    Eh? Explain, please.

    Oh, and more people are needed to post on this thread, and preferrably about the topic, instead of what we're doing right now.
     
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    Yes, please keep your comments more directly on the topic rather than flying so far afield.
     
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    Well is there some widely accepted standard you use to define order and chaos.

    Or is that a personal standard that only you have?


    Hmm, BTA responded before I could, if you want to continue this discussion we could use PM or make a new topic.
     
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    We'll just have to agree to disagree, at least *I'm* sick of this.

    And everybody: POST DAMMIT, c'mon, t'is an interesting/aggrivating topic.

    PS. "Random ,direct and pure" is my view of chaos.
    Is there really a general picture of chaos? Beauty is, after all, in the eye of the beholder.
     
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    The thing that saddens me about this whole story is that evidently the parents themselves are so emotionally inadequate that they think that completely destroying all the things that make their children special to them will wave a magic wand over their own instabilities - and let's face it, people, you have to be pretty unbalanced if you want to send your child to this place.

    Does anyone else spot the irony of this place being located in one of the most laid-back countries in the world ;) ?
     
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    Semi-Rastafari that I am, that's a terrible thing.
    I used to luv everything about da country, mon.

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    I'm going to have to agree with Shura here, but extend the knives to all those who came up with the idea.

    The article also reminded me of two films, 'Cool hand luke' (though apparently no-one has escaped from 'tranquillity' ) and another film where, in this case, criminals who crimes the state considred to great for rehab sent to an island, they ended up split in two groups: those who were trying to escape and survive together, and those who were tearing each other apart and basically being savages (most of this is excess detail but I can't remember the name of the film, it's really just the island thing that made me think of it).
     
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    is suicide an option for the students? because that would be my choice.the so-called chaperones couldnt do anything about it if i slit my throat. its an abomination, its nothing like bootcamp, some of my friends have been to boot camp and its completely different
     
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    Shura's reaction is the natural one, especially when you are old enough to realise that the all-powerful authority figures in your past were just ordinary a**holes. Then it becomes time for revenge, blow for blow, hurt for hurt.

    And I'll bet anything that a gang of them would return to Jamaica, hunt down their ex-captors down and kill them. Similar to the grey justice dealt out in the movie Sleepers.

    The question is why does this article make people think this way, rather than in the indifferent manner with which they would treat an article about a similar state run facility.


    I think the journalist is lying and has written his story in such a way as to make it sensational. If this is happening to loads of children, why aren't we seeing them turning up on Jerry Springer et al. for;

    'My momma institutionilized me because I used to ---------'

    Why Jamaica and why privately funded, surely the American State would pick up the tab if you wanted to put your delinquent kid into care? Are the parents not actually paying to keep their kids out of the State Facilities that their behaviour was leading them to?

    Delinquent kids don't give a rat's ass about books or education, the reporter should not have expected to see a normal classroom. Making the children responsible for their own self-study might actually be a method that works for some.

    Back to 'My momma institutionilized me because I used to ---------'

    'because I used to ---------'.

    Kids steal from kids.

    Kids hurt kids.

    Kids kill kids. Kids kill kids. Kids kill kids.

    'Not my sweet little angel. She's not like that'. Any parent that doesn't realise that their children are born with the intrinsic desire to commit what adults call criminal behaviour is a liability to society, because they are the ones that don't teach their kids the difference between right and wrong. When you are a kid, murder is all right, until someone tells you that it is wrong.

    Some kids learn a different lesson. They learn that doing wrong makes them richer/happier, and in normal cushy, forgiving society they can't stop, anymore than an alcoholic could succeed at rehab in a bar.

    If you are a parent and you know you are faced with the choice of your child ending up in a state run facilty full of pedophiles that are working for minimum wage so that they can get access to your children, or sending your child to an expensive behaviour modification facility, where you know that they will be safe (24hr scrutiny of behaviour) and were the emphasis is on rehab, not learning new crime skills, which would you chose?

    Some people are beyond help, bastards from the hour they are born, destined to become criminals and to make the lives of everyone else in society a misery. But at least some parents are investing their own money in trying to change them. If they are lucky their little angel becomes a minor league drug pusher instead of a thrill seeking serial murderer.

    Some won't be steered away from their path of self destruction. For them Jerry Springer awaits. He will ask them who is to blame, and the first words out of their mouths will be 'My momma institutionilized me'.
     
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    Ouch

    While it is possible that this is a hoax I believe it has a greater chance of being true.

    Something just occured to me, these techniques are EXACTLY like the techniques used bu cult brainwashers, there's the peer pressure, the atmosphere to confirm, the secret telling , the three day seminars that emotionally crush you, I would'nt be suprised if the whole camp just suicides one day.
     
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