1. SPS Accounts:
    Do you find yourself coming back time after time? Do you appreciate the ongoing hard work to keep this community focused and successful in its mission? Please consider supporting us by upgrading to an SPS Account. Besides the warm and fuzzy feeling that comes from supporting a good cause, you'll also get a significant number of ever-expanding perks and benefits on the site and the forums. Click here to find out more.
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
You are currently viewing Boards o' Magick as a guest, but you can register an account here. Registration is fast, easy and free. Once registered you will have access to search the forums, create and respond to threads, PM other members, upload screenshots and access many other features unavailable to guests.

BoM cultivates a friendly and welcoming atmosphere. We have been aiming for quality over quantity with our forums from their inception, and believe that this distinction is truly tangible and valued by our members. We'd love to have you join us today!

(If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. If you've forgotten your username or password, click here.)

Suitcase With $134 Billion in US bonds seized on Swiss border

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Ragusa, Jun 20, 2009.

  1. Ragusa

    Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2000
    Messages:
    10,140
    Media:
    63
    Likes Received:
    250
    Gender:
    Male
    Stunning.
    I have a feeling that in face of that they will probably claim illiquidity as they are unlikely to have so much cash. But, if real, the Italians could confiscate the equivalent amount of bonds, sell them and transfer the money to the Italian treasury. 38 billion euros? Quite a boon. Interesting prospect for Italy. More on Bloomberg
     
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2009
  2. Morgoroth

    Morgoroth Just because I happen to have tentacles, it doesn'

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2003
    Messages:
    2,392
    Likes Received:
    45
    I find of hard to believe that they would be authentic. I find it much more likely that someone or probably some state (possibly North Korea) has made a serious effort to counterfeit US treasury bills. If they are real however then there are lot of questions to be answered.
     
  3. coineineagh

    coineineagh I wish for a horde to overrun my enemies Resourceful Adored Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2008
    Messages:
    1,637
    Media:
    13
    Likes Received:
    134
    Gender:
    Male
    [​IMG] Not just the States; what does it do for economic stability in the world? Everyone has their eyes on America right now, fearful of problems with the fragile road to economic recovery.

    What were those two idiots thinking, hopping across borders like they're drug-smugglers? Are these the kind of people that control our destinies? Let's just hope that the bonds turn out to be false...
     
  4. NOG (No Other Gods)

    NOG (No Other Gods) Going to church doesn't make you a Christian

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2005
    Messages:
    4,883
    Media:
    8
    Likes Received:
    148
    Gender:
    Male
    I have a question. Call me ignorant of law if you want, and I may well be, but why is transporting bonds across international borders a taxable event? I generally think of bonds as a pseudo-cash equivalent, or an investment. If I go do Canada, should I declare the money in my wallet? Should I declare the silver earrings my wife is wearing? Is there some kind of limit in amounts, and if so, why?
     
  5. Ragusa

    Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2000
    Messages:
    10,140
    Media:
    63
    Likes Received:
    250
    Gender:
    Male
    NOG,
    aliens visiting the US also have to declare their currency or monetary instrument when entering customs. I found that on a US Embassy page:
    * according to the CBP money and monetary instruments includes U.S. or foreign coins currently in circulation, currency, traveler’s checks in any form, money orders, and negotiable instruments or investment securities in bearer form (ie. bonds).

    The Japanese gentlemen failed to properly declare these bonds. It is probably so that 138 billion dollar somewhat exceed the personal allowance under Italian law. The 40% the Italians will demand when the bonds turn out to be valid will be likely be the fine for the Japanese gentlemen not declaring and basically smuggling them through Italy and to Switzerland. Declaring money and monetary instruments carried also has high relevance with regard to money laundering laws. If the bonds are fake it's obviously a remarkable case of counterfeiting.
     
  6. martaug Gems: 23/31
    Latest gem: Black Opal


    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2002
    Messages:
    1,710
    Likes Received:
    59
    Can't find any legitimate site detailing "kennedy bonds" & as morgoroth stated they are most likely fake.
    This reminds me of the story of don johnson getting stopped by the german police with 8 Billion dollars worth of bonds. Supposedly they photographed the bonds and let him go.
     
  7. Morgoroth

    Morgoroth Just because I happen to have tentacles, it doesn'

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2003
    Messages:
    2,392
    Likes Received:
    45
    If these bonds are legitimate they are either stolen or owned by some national state. There's no way Italy is going to get its hands on 40% of their value. But as I said earlier I think they are very likely counterfeit. If this would be a covert attempt of Japan to sell off their US treasury bonds it would be an extremely clumsy and desperate attempt, even so how they'd have actually sold these bonds without attracting any attention is a mystery to me.
     
  8. martaug Gems: 23/31
    Latest gem: Black Opal


    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2002
    Messages:
    1,710
    Likes Received:
    59
    bloomberg news

    So they were fake after all
     
  9. Morgoroth

    Morgoroth Just because I happen to have tentacles, it doesn'

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2003
    Messages:
    2,392
    Likes Received:
    45
    Yeah I think the original bloomberg article drew overdramatic and very unlikely worst case scenarios about the incident to spice up the story. There is no way anyone would be allowed to travel with such amounts of money.
     
  10. The Great Snook Gems: 31/31
    Latest gem: Rogue Stone


    Adored Veteran

    Joined:
    May 15, 2003
    Messages:
    4,123
    Media:
    28
    Likes Received:
    313
    Gender:
    Male
    I am kind of curious if we will have find out the real story about this. I'm guessing that there had to be some sort of reason to try to smuggle fake bonds.
     
  11. Iku-Turso Gems: 26/31
    Latest gem: Diamond


    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2005
    Messages:
    2,393
    Media:
    1
    Likes Received:
    28
    There are USD 1 billion bonds, but whether they're "Kennedy" bonds or not might be a different question...especially if these specific bonds were worth more than 1 billion each...

    here:Nordic Investment Bank issues new global USD 1 billion bond

    The geographical distribution of these bonds is rather interesting...
     
Sorcerer's Place is a project run entirely by fans and for fans. Maintaining Sorcerer's Place and a stable environment for all our hosted sites requires a substantial amount of our time and funds on a regular basis, so please consider supporting us to keep the site up & running smoothly. Thank you!

Sorcerers.net is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to products on amazon.com, amazon.ca and amazon.co.uk. Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates.