Should East Prussia / Kaliningrad Oblast be returned to Germany?

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An interesting discussion, thank you for commenting. I am Heidrin from the home of the Naer. My grandfather is / was from there, Kaliningrad / Koenigsberg. My idea is to hand it over to itself, within the year, it is now 2015. We are the last descendants from the council dot pru. From governance and more. Together with my 1 cousin Nils, we are the 2 youngest "last ones" from then, before w war ii. it is in our powers to decide on the way ahead. We are from the people who founded and made the city in the first place eg. Hugo Albert N a teacher at the F college, and Caroline W N who built the first houses there. My great grandmother Olga Helene Katharine can be mentioned here too, just because her name sounds so beautiful. Semi independent we accept, with many languages incl. E. Int. schools from the German people, a long way together. The persons in governance, those in religious office, those in many more depts have letters in their hands, giving them the power to act. In this time we need the Catholic to be 1st, Orthodox Christians 2nd, Evangelish 3rd, Jewish 4th, and more and so on. I have handed this power to the politiciens , and I too wish to participate in this. Kaliningrad / Koenigsberg can be handed over even to myself, to us, in the interim. Find me, phone me. I am here, and ready to act. I am a facilitator and can work with ideas. a transition to form a new path and realies a vision, c'est possible.. For an international sustainability court we need this way. For Inge, who died for this. Love, Heidrun Inge.

 

I voted other because:
- Germany already officially accepted the "Oder-Neisse-Linie" as it´s permanent eastern border as a prerequisite for reunification
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder–Neisse_line
So IF anything would be returned to Germany it would make far more sense to return Stettin and the eastern part of Usedom (who are on the left bank of the Oder)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder–Neisse_line#/media/File:UsedomWolin.png
to Germany than a part of Prussia that has no landconnection to Germany.
- If Russia in the future would be forced to give up Kaliningrad (be it to sell it in a need for cash just like Gorbatschew sold his permission for the reunification of Germany, or in need of allies in the west if China´s next annexation plans are not just some tiny islands in the the "western phillipinian sea"/south china sea but they would try to re-negotiate the Amur-treaties
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/china_ussr_e_88.jpg
and demand Mongolia and Tannu-Tuwa) then it would be better placed under control of Brussels as an area under direct EU control.

 

Actually when the cite of an "army with a country"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Army#An_army_with_a_country
became known the capital had been no longer Königsberg for quite a while.

At that time the Markgraviate of Brandenburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margraviate_of_Brandenburg#Hohenzollerns
had inherited the Duchy of Prussia from their relatives and the state was ruled from Berlin from 1701 onward formally as "Brandenburg-Prussia" and commonly known simply as Prussia (because the kings derived their more prestigious "king" title from being "King in Prussia"). Königsberg only remained the provincial capital of one of the provinces of that state.

That has been one of the arguments to NOT use Berlin as capital again after the re-unification (as it was Berlin from which most of the wars were waged including WW1 and 2) - but Chancellor Kohl chose to make it the capital again despite better (at least from a democratic or geographic middle of the country point of view) alternatives like Bonn, Weimar, Frankfurt or Mainz.

Well, actually Brandenburg had been known and nicknamed as the "Streusandbüchse" (Sandbox with which ink was dried on letters?) of the Holy Roman Empire because of it´s sandy poor farmland and the Brandenburg Markgraves not only had to hire soldiers in neighbouring countries in the beginning for lack of suitable recruits at home but furthered agrarian development (e.g. by spreading the use of potatoes



http://www.mightyheaton.com/2011/06/25/why-they-put-potatoes-on-frederick-the-greats-grave/
and were tolerant enough to take in huge numbers of french huguenottes who fled for their lives from a France in which the catholic King persecuted them for their religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot#Germany_and_Scandinavia
and tolerance was one of the virtues of the then prussian state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_virtues

And from pre-german, germanic myths (from a time where the Anglosaxons were still living on the continent) and the example of italian fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism
which not only existed before the takeover of the Nazis but whose leader Benito Mussolini was one of the idols that Hitler adored for a long time.

Well, from the point of view of Poland that is silly. Prussia had been a fief of the polish state before they had to cede their rights of it to Brandenburg-Prussia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Prussia#/media/File:Rzeczpospolita2nar.png
and next to the german population there were polish and lithuanian minorities.
Letting the Soviets take that area over as well as essentially install their pet government in Poland instead of the polish exile government in London (who wouldn´t agree to have the polish borders moved westward and to cede eastern Poland to the Soviets just as those had agreed with Hitler before WW2) was done because there was no way the Allies could stop the Soviets at that time and not because it was seen as right.

It would have been justified to give the entirety of Prussia to Poland or the northern part to Lithuania (so that after Lithuanias independance there would be no russian exclave there).

 

In reply to ConjurerDragon:
Much like Americans hail their Anglosaxon cultural roots, and Anglosaxons consider Saxony to be their place of origin, Konigsberg has significance as the old capital of Prussia. Even though it wasn't during Prussia's hayday.

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An old poll I just stumbled across. I think there is an interesting irony in current times (early 2022) since Putin is now trying to annex part or all of Ukraine (meaning the 2 areas he mentioned now are just 1 step in a multi step plan). Yes he is claiming to help 2 regions become separate states but wasn't a point of is speech that Russia should supposedly control all the territory that was formerly part of the Soviet Union? That can be taken as Putin wanting to land grab.

It also means Putin is currently ignoring international agreements current Russia has been part of for decades.

Putin would probably be against the idea of this bit of territory leaving Russia but is for Ukraine loosing parts of its territory that have been part of Ukraine for decades (if not arguably much longer).