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Sex between teacher and student in the USA

Discussion in 'Alley of Dangerous Angles' started by Baronius, Jan 28, 2012.

  1. Baronius

    Baronius Mental harmony dispels the darkness ★ SPS Account Holder Veteran

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    Just a quick question (and sorry if such a thread was already opened on the BoM, I didn't notice it, so please provide me a link then).

    I just read on a Hungarian website that in the USA, sex between a teacher and a student is considered a criminal offense even if both of them are adults (i.e. not underage). In fact, it seemed to me that this applies not only to high schools but also to universities and colleges! Is this true?

    A good example when the consensus in a country results in a strict law, despite of the fact that it sounds pretty from a "liberal" point of view (why a university teacher and his/her student can't have sex without the teacher committing a criminal offense? It's OK that it's morally unacceptable, and the institution should apply sanctions etc., but criminal offense?)

    In Hungary, if the student isn't underage, the law doesn't forbid it at all. One example when Hungary offers more "freedom" than the USA!
     
  2. Blackthorne TA

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    As far as I'm aware it is a criminal offense only when the student is not past the age of consent...
     
  3. Barmy Army

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    What's with the Hungary obsession? Weirdo.
     
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    Morgoth La lune ne garde aucune rancune Veteran

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    I'm hungary too :(
     
  5. 8people

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    [​IMG] Not criminal, if I remember right, but can lead to a dismissal depending on the terms of the university/college as it can lead to scandal for the university and a bias on the education side of things as well.

    In the UK if you're in a profession of responsibility - for example a teacher, health professional or work with children as a primary part of your occupation - then it is considered an abuse of responsibility to date someone under 18 if you met them through work. Most universities also have a "no student dating" policy as well to limit favouritism and retain the reputation of integrity within the institute.
     
  6. Baronius

    Baronius Mental harmony dispels the darkness ★ SPS Account Holder Veteran

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    Please clarify.

    I'm Hungarian. Are you obsessed with Churchill perhaps?
     
  7. T2Bruno

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    If the student is below the age of consent it is illegal and becomes a criminal offense. When both are adults it is not illegal (unless it is accompanied with harrassment or discrimination). Private schools can have rules which allow termination of the instructor -- provided the school is not funded with public money. For any publically finded school (state or private which accepts money from the government) there can be no "punishment" of either student or faculty member (this was actually a Supreme Court ruling IIRC). However, such an affair could be considered inappropriate and reflect poorly on the instructor/professor which may affect future promotions.

    My ex's research professor was never promoted to full professor for some reason....

    :D
     
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    If it can be argued that a person in authority used coercion to extract sex from a subordinate, then a criminal prosecution becomes possible. Given how easy it is to make that accusation, I believe that any teacher who takes that risk is a complete fool.
     
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    It's probably why a lot of institutions just forbid it. Either the chance that it happened or the chance that a jilted ex would go public with allegations that it happened hurts them a lot.

    T2, wasn't there some kind of rule against spouces in the army/navy serving together when they are of different rank?
     
  10. T2Bruno

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    Shaman: They cannot (could not) serve in the same command. Although that gets somewhat lax in medical communities. Basically one spouse is not allowed to work for the other.
     
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    for some reason, I'm not picturing Barmy sitting around admiring pictures of Churchill and reading books about his famous quotes to pass time...

    just sayin'
     
  12. Baronius

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    It was irony. He asked why I'm "obsessed" with Hungary. While the reality is, I'm a Hungarian person, and I have right to share my opinion regarding my country and its related events; as much right as anyone else. So it's not obsession, because Hungary is my homeland. He is English (and he quotes Churchill in signature), but this doesn't mean he is "obsessed" with England. If England was called a "junk" country and was falsely accused in a foreign newspaper by a known English person, he might also decide to share his rejection about it.
     
  13. 8people

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    [​IMG] Doubtful :p

    Just because we're english doesn't mean we're going to leap in the defense of england as soon as some johnny foreigner thinks the country is a bit weird. We'd never have time for a cuppa.

    When someone comes along and only posts on one subject their interests come across as one dimensional. Simple as.
     
  14. Baronius

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    No it's not doubtful. If the person's article is published in a popular newspaper and it may reach (and mislead) many readers, you would feel it unfair for your country. Unless you are totally an anti-patriot. But most people aren't. It's a good feeling when a sportman of your country wins an event, isn't it? OK, I can't be sure, considering the liberal, rootless thinking that has been spreading in the world recently...

    It's a different matter when you're sure that -- for any reason -- the misleading writings won't influence others, i.e. won't have a significant effect.
     
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    [​IMG] Yes it is doubtful, no it has nothing to do about patriotism. :p

    Simple reasoning is whining about it on a miscellaneous forum does nothing except draw attention to the fact that someone, somewhere is writing something I disagree with - whoop de doo, fact of life. There are morons in every population, giving them attention isn't going to make them stop and go away.

    When misinformation and propaganda run a risk of influencing people who actually matter then I go through appropriate channels to deal with the matter. Misinformation can be rectified, people can re-evaluate their opinions based on information they have been provided with.

    I have no interest in ensuring everyone thinks england, for example, is a happy shiny place full of unicorns and is led by a man who can cure the disabled and has more orphans cared for in his home than most american singer/acresses combined. As anyone who has more than three brain cells can find information quickly and easily and anyone who has issue can just ask specific questions.
     
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    Most people in this country could give 2 $h!ts what people think about this country, after all, we all live next door to people who call eachother's countries $h!te on a daily basis.... oooh, just reminded me, 6 nations coming up next month.
     
  17. Beren

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    We`re starting to get well off-topic here.
     
  18. Ragusa

    Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Veteran

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    IMO the doubtfulness is actually the very heart of the matter.
     
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    You really hate liberals don't you?
     
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    Ok ...

    On-topic: Criminalizing student-teacher sexual relations, who does what in what country, the merits or lack thereof of various approaches.

    Not on-topic: Country bashing (not I think anybody has actually done this yet), and being defensive against perceived country bashing, etc. And certainly not any personalized comments or ad hominem.
     
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